They/Them
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please invent some word for it and go with it
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isare more than one word. It's going to take quite some time until agreement on the use will distill and become accepted, though. -
There's more than one option, I for one prefer Elverson which is Ey/Em/Eirs
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That's true, but you can't help but notice that when people coming from this background are taught English, they are usually taught that 'male' pronouns are the default.
If anything, I would support the removal of 'he/him' for all the backlash it will generate.
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in france "they" invented "iel", a gender neutral pronoun, to replace "il" and "elle". Young people (some?) adopted it rapidly and were using it naturally but the state banned the use of "inclusive language" on all official communications (which includes schools)
i remember thinking that inventing a new pronoun, like they did, was a better solution than choosing one of the two as gender neutral
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That's because "is" is the third person conjugation of Be, not the second. Of course it sounds weird.
"Thou are", and the actually correct "thou art" both feel much more natural.
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I'm 47 and it just came naturally to me.
"They" made more sense to me than "it" in the first place.
Come to think of it, I still call babies "it" when I don't know the gender all the time though.
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While we're oversharing, I had a similar issue:
I had bad asthma as a kid and stress would bring on an asthma attack. An inhaler wasn't enough, I had to go to the nurse and use this loud, ugly machine called a nebulizer. Obviously, one of the most stressful times in school is during a test, so taking a test could easily trigger an attack. Teachers always begrudgingly wrote me a pass to the nurse and made it clear to me that they "knew" I was faking to get out of the test.
Not one of them got the idea into their heads to just make me take the test with me. I would have been able to take it just fine while breathing through the stupid nebulizer. It's not like I enjoyed being hooked up to the damn thing or enjoyed not being able to breathe well.
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Outright banned, I'm guessing because blindly following rules by the book, but I think it's not a move in the right direction.
In Spain people are trying to make neutral words by placing
@wherea/oshould go in the gendered words, I think it never made to any documentation but it wasn't banned yet, at least. -
jesus
that sounds awful.
I love how teachers take it personally that you don't want to do mandatory work lol. anyway. glad you made it out of there.
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Me too. Thanks.
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I'm working in (local) French public service. We've developed apps with basic gender inclusive language (not iel, more like including genders in form titles and messages), a while before the government banned it from official communication.
As of now, nobody has done anything to remove that from the apps, because we don't see the point and we have way more important things to do to actually improve services.
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It's a stupid excuse, use a different style guide going forward that uses "their" to refer to third person.
I'm glad they changed it, I'm still burnt out of the game because of design issues (board wipes, counterspells), repetitive cards with little innovation, and shitty business practices.
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I get where you're coming from, but if you have a problem with the Chicago Manual of Style then you have a problem with me, and I suggest you let that one marinate.
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There's no way to know whether the "he" is Dan or Steve.
This sentence is always ambiguous because there is only one sense of the word "he" but two possible objects. In my example the sentence is always ambiguous because there are two senses of the word "they". The two situations are completely different linguistic issues.
Your example is of a poor speaker. My example is of a poor pronoun choice.
The they/them pronoun isn't the problem in your example, the structure of the sentence is.
I disagree entirely.
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you would also have the problem when saying ...
You would have a problem but it would not be the same problem as in my example. The problem is not because of the choice pronoun.
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But art sounds like are. Is art singular?
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But we're back to plural, they said thou is singular.
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Reminder: this was over a decade ago.
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From the dictionary: (archaic) second-person singular simple present indicative of be
So, yes?
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Wait, was ‘Ye Olde …’ really still pronounced ‘The old’? Holy crap, why did nobody ever correct how stupid I am. I thought people just said things funny back then. Sigh
