Now's the time to start talking about Matrix+Fediverse

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If matrix wasn't so poorly implemented, I'd recommend it.

I dove in to the deepend and found Matrix to be underwhelming and that's probably generous.

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I honestly don't think federated architecture is valuable for a chat room service.

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Yeah, sorry about that. The whole text is getting cropped on smaller screen sizes. It's $29/year for 1 account, $119/year for 5 accounts.

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Having admined an instance with about 200 users, and migrated over to xmpp, I'm never going back.

It is such a beast in comparison to xmpp, and maintance is so much easier, as are full backups.

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I would be SoL if I didn't have one of my original sessions upon making the account years ago still

key backups are a thing: element tries to make you save the recovery phrase. if you lost your recovery phrase and all sessions, you can still rotate keys and recover the account, just no encrypted history. it seems you're not familiar with matrix, not that the system is flawed

99% of rooms aren't encrypted so are completely and totally insecure anyway

if this is true, you wouldn't even be SoL if you lost your session: just rotate keys
very big rooms are unencrypted: what value does e2ee provide when the other end is 10k+ people? any of these may ne untrustworthy, you're just paying extra infra cost
also, if 99% of your rooms are unencrypted, how do you keep seeing encryption issues?

these statements seem excessively dramatic and in opposition with each other

you mention neochat and fluffychat. i explicitly said element, and element x on mobile

im rather upset at the fact that we have basically no choice: dendrite is getting left behind, construct is abandoned, conduit is weird and conduwuit is not super reassuring. on the clientside, fluffy mostly works but uses old crypto, cinny is slow and lacks a ton of stuff, nheko is a mess, fractal is really underfeatured and i don't even know what neochat is. using matrix basically boils down to "synapse+element(x)" or "lmao have fun fixing stuff"

it seems from your replies you lack understanding of how things work and are nonetheless choosing community clients rather than the stuff element does. super valid, i encourage you to do so, just maybe cast your judgment on the actual stuff you're using and not the whole project itself

i'd like to close saying that your anectodal experience is not of much value here: you are having issues? i'm not, and neither is all those i'm communicating with. what gives? it's instead observable that newer developments address the issues you're mentioning: transparent encryption and simplified sliding sync

element is entitled, ignoring feedback and constantly playing the victim. its practices with the protocol are despicable.

the protocol, however, works

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I don't understand this. Element is pretty easy. Sign up, join room, chat. No one I've on-boarded has had an issue, and they are not techies.