Venn diagram of what indie tech people think Mozilla wants to be/should be and what Moz actually wants to be: OO
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Venn diagram of what indie tech people think Mozilla wants to be/should be and what Moz actually wants to be: OO
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My tepid take is that this gap is only partly Mozilla's fault—the rest is a combination of projection and the ol' "using the same terms to mean different things" problem.
We sure could use a big institution to be what, say, nerds like me would prefer Mozilla to be, though. (The reason we don't have one is funding.)
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@kissane with the caveat that back in the day I moved from FF to the shiny new Chrome, thus contributing to its unchecked dominance and bullying, was there anything we could have done to prevent this? Talk of offsetting the absurd funding gap (i.e., whatever Google pays them) may be moot at this point, but it could help future projects like Servo.
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@kissane I would say there are nerds inside Mozilla who are baffled by the whole thing, too
But, that funding thing turns out to be a real lynchpin and a dilemma all at the same time
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@lmorchard @kissane I don't know. I've talked to some moz devs on 'the orange site' and its clear they are ex-Google, or drinking the Koolaid in hopes that they'll get to work on Chrome some day.
I love the ideals around why Mozilla was formed. I absolutely hate everything about the organization as it exists today. Its clear that whatever paper those ideals were written on was used as a napkin and disposed of.
I still use Firefox, but I just loathe the BS coming down the pipeline.
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@lmorchard For sure! And Mozilla has done some great things, especially but not only on the foundation side. (Our little Knight-funded team there got so much done, lots of the fellows have been amazing.)
But the good things seem to have been sort of to one side of what leadership ultimately wanted, and Baker's bets didn't really pay off.
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@miah @lmorchard Yeah, the Manifesto is still such interesting reading, in both the original and slightly edited later version
The Mozilla Manifesto: with great power comes great responsibility
Publishing a manifesto invites criticism, but that's okay?Mozilla can take ( …
Ars Technica (web.archive.org)
I'm 100% sure that a lot of senior people at Moz have felt that they're really serving those principles, and still do, and yet.
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@tehstu We outside Moz? I think they've made their own fate, tbh.