The #Fediverse is #Enshittification proof by @pluralistic
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Tim Chambers - VOTEDreplied to hannah aubry last edited by
@haubles @pluralistic @Mastodon
Cory is great on describing the power dynamic of "switching costs" and the Fediverse dramatically turning the tables on that, for the good of each user.
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Risotto Votedreplied to Tim Chambers - VOTED last edited by
@tchambers @haubles @pluralistic @Mastodon
I saw someone say "why try building another closed network and bootstrapping a user base, when you can just use the existing large pool of users"
Now, that said, how much a new AP app can be understood by, or interacted with, on legacy apps like mastodon, or whether you need a new username for each kind of app... Is something different.
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Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋replied to Tim Chambers - VOTED last edited by
@tchambers @haubles @pluralistic @Mastodon
But Bluesky’s model is even better in that regard!
Currently, in the Fediverse you lose all your posts when you’re moving
With Bluesky, you don’t
Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 (@[email protected])
Attached: 1 image @[email protected] @[email protected] I agree Another part that I find particularly confusing is this On Mastodon, moving to a different instance means that you lose all your posts Moving also requires your previous instance to be online. If your previous instance is offline, your account is gone. That’s two massive "switching costs" in my opinion
Mastodon (mastodon.social)
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@risottobias @tchambers @pluralistic @Mastodon I don’t mind having multiple accounts on the federal verse. I have my Mastodon account, my WriteFreely instance, and a pixelfed account. I use them for very different things.
It would be super cool to see Mastodon doing more regarding app discoverability on mobile. I’m imagining a small logo on avatars to indicate which app a user is posting from.
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Tim Chambers - VOTEDreplied to Olivier Simard-Casanova 🦋 last edited by
@o_simardcasanova @haubles @pluralistic @Mastodon
Well, to be fair, you CAN download and upload your posts here and not lose them on Mastodon, but point taken that the migration is still getting there, but #ActivityPub is working that out for future version.
I'm still confused how BlueSky migration of social graphs would work IF there were another non-BlueSky entirely other ATproto service overall - and how that would work in terms of interoperablity with those users on the BlueSKy service.
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Steve Batereplied to Tim Chambers - VOTED last edited by
@tchambers @o_simardcasanova @haubles @pluralistic @Mastodon Is that a new Mastodon feature or supported by a third-party tool? I know I can export my posts, but I wasn’t aware of any ability to import those into another Mastodon instance (and it wouldn’t typically work for non-Mastodon instances because the URL path formats are not the same across implementations).
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@steve @tchambers @o_simardcasanova @haubles How would the URL format matter? If the posts are being migrated to a new domain you gotta rewrite all IDs anyway (with all the issues re: federation that entails), so the URL structure would be the least of your worries. Otherwise the Sharkey post history import function couldn't work.
I remember reading of at least one weirdo who manually massaged their old posts into the new instance's postgres. We all know it's possible, just prohibitively hard.
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Steve Batereplied to Julian Fietkau last edited by [email protected]
@julian @tchambers @o_simardcasanova @haubles Yeah, sorry. I should have been more specific. I was referring to the issues even with a personal domain name (and migrating between implementations with that domain). With two different domains, I don’t know how transparent post migration would be possible with Mastodon.
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@steve @tchambers @o_simardcasanova @haubles Yeah, to transparently swap server software (including Mastodon→Mastodon) you'd have to preserve post IDs and encryption keys at the minimum. No idea if anyone's ever accomplished that.
But I think migrating account histories between domains is the more commonly requested feature. Although unless Mastodon implements FEP-ef61 or something comparable, that'll only ever be a content import that loses past interactions by other accounts.
