I think the opposite is true.
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I think the opposite is true. Manager should care more about technical issues. Otherwise Sonos happens.
That’s why a project has different roles, each should focus on their field, while listening to the concerns of the others.
The popular comparison to how houses are build: a structural engineer should make sure the building is not collapsing, not for how much the apartments are sold.
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that bit about roles & listening! And engineering is NOT automatically made worse by lack of business attentionBut if an engineer plans to be promoted to mgr- there is a need to ack the business side eventually
Also this quote:
At great engineering companies, management leaves the engineers alone. At good engineering companies, management interferes but engineers ignore them. At lousy engineering companies, management thinks it is the engineers.- Guy Kowalski -Nov 90 -
@dxzdb @simonnickel why do you think engineers get to ignore people but other people don't get to ignore them?
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@polotek That comment from @simonnickel that I liked so much said: “focus on their field, while listening to concerns" That's the real crux - engineers don't need to try “to understand business outcomes” in order to do good engineering
Relative to Guy’s quote - the implication is that the managers were interfering with the engineering tasks at hand - and I think that grading of companies probably makes some sense. Thinking about engineers being ignored makes me remember the Challenger explosion
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@dxzdb @simonnickel you didn't answer my question. I know you think engineers are justified in ignoring and disrespecting other people. I'm asking if you think other people might have reasons that make them want to ignore or disrespect engineers. And whether you think any of those reasons might be justified.
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@polotek @dxzdb like I said each should listen to the other and both should respect decisions of the expert in the field.
I don’t know any engineer ignoring the business side of things, they always just try their best to implement those requirements. But I know a lot of cases where decisions were made only based on business, while ignoring the technical reality. That’s how things fail.
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@simonnickel @dxzdb you're not being honest about the engineers you know. That's okay. I know how these conversations go. When it's time to shit on managers, engineers are all perfect angels just doing their best.