btw if you're planning on protesting a talk, the easiest way is to pull the fire alarm
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the thing about nerds at fosdem,
socioeconomically speaking, it's full of people who had access to computers at an early age, and people who earn well over the median
so, well, there aren't many people who've ever had to fight or protest, which is why you'll always hear "have we tried not causing problems" as a preferred option
it's the same sort of brainrot logic of "blocking a road could block an ambulance" where a theoretical consequence blocks any action with a result
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@tef you know you aren't the only person to have suggested that to me today.
Lotta folks not getting the point of protesting. Like the sit in is the mildest form of peaceful protest and folk are still complaining.
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it's pretty funny to see infosec people telling me this is a bad idea
when all i am doing is disclosing a vulnerability and noting that it requires very little technical skill
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Guy has blocked me so I can't see replies.
I will be protesting and attending the sit in, make no mistakes.
However I draw the line at jeopardizing the entire FOSDEM event because of this.
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@Foxboron perhaps the fosdem organisers should not have jeopardised the event by accepting that talk as a keynote, risking their legitimacy just to platform a useless crypto bro who has nothing to do with foss
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I largely agree with that sentiment, however I don't think risking the entire future of the event for this 30 minute slot is worth it.
FOSDEM is not a cohesive organization, and I have a lot of sympathies with the volunteers that do need to deal with the decisions of others.
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@tef I too will not be at fossem
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@Foxboron those volunteers can have principles and threaten to pull their labour over this in the hopes or resolving this without further disruption, or they can abide by it, and hopefully the keynote ends up being disrupted by someone with a moral backbone. For that matter, so can any speakers if they wish to stand for anything other than vague handwaving about opensource.
If neither volunteers nor speakers look likely to make a stand and force the issue… well, they are ok with the possible disruption or are ok with jack being there, either way it perpetuates the single minded goal chasing that has led to FOSS being entirely meaningless as anything but free labour for corporations.
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I know some volunteers are not happy about this at all, and I suspect we haven't seen the consequences play out yet.
It seems like it has already been removed as a promoted keynote, and delegated to a main track slot.
Personally I hope the talk gets pulled.
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@Foxboron and part of the pressure that makes that happen is the very threat of disruptive action - which is why the thought of the entirety of fosdem being affected over this talk is motivating.
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To be clear, I'm fully on board with disruptive action. I intend to protest the talk if it gets held.
I'm only drawing a line where the protest threatens the conference as a whole.
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@Foxboron your position was clear, and that’s the source of disagreement. Protest that doesn’t meaningfully disrupt is at most a nuisance and easily worked around, and lecturing people about why protest shouldn’t be disruptive to other people who didn’t care enough to push back is not the most useful thing to do (and pretty sure why you got blocked)
Tis all, I will not seek to change your mind further.
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@kevingranade @Foxboron I think the organizers saw $$$ and didn't think about the consequences, which is weird for people who work in FOSS.
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FOSDEM does not sell talk slots to sponsors. They have been consistent about this for over 20 years.
This talk was most likely pushed through by someone from the content team.
