In a world where enough women are searching “can my husband find out who I voted for” to make it trend in search engines and social media, there should never be a question again about the value of and right to end-to-end encrypted and private personal ...

mekka okereke :verified:

@altruios @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

Do you realize that search term also includes:

* Husbands afraid of their wives
* Children afraid of their parents
* Black employees of a pro-Trump white employer
* People that "have Black friends" but want to vote for Trump anyway. Shy Republicans, as they're called.

Etc etc?

And that it takes more imaginary thinking and "white women: always the victim, never the villain!" mentality to map that term to the "free Melania use case?

LA Legault 🍉 🗳️

@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

Where are you getting these stats from?

mekka okereke :verified:

@LALegault @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

"For much of the last decade, white women have been more likely to describe themselves as “pro-life” than black women have, according to a Gallup analysis of national polling data on abortion between 2010 and 2019, conducted at the request of NBC News. During that period, 46 percent of white women described themselves as “pro-life,” compared to 36 percent of black women."

It’s not just men: White conservative women have played key role in abortion policy changes this year

White women have joined men, mostly but not exclusively in the Deep South, in using their conservative majorities in multiple state legislatures to make sweeping changes to abortion policies this year.

NBC News (www.nbcnews.com)

Election results one is easily available.

LA Legault 🍉 🗳️

@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

ONE POLL?

LA Legault 🍉 🗳️

@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

You have made a gigantic insulting assumption based on one poll? Are you kidding?

LA Legault 🍉 🗳️

@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

“White conservative women and men are not, of course, alone in opposing abortion. A full 42 % of black evangelical Protestants and 37 % of non-white Catholics told researchers with the Public Religion Research Institute that they believe abortion should be illegal in most or all cases.”

LOOK @ the sample size & location.

There are dozens of studies breaking this down and it is not race, it is religion & geographic location

LA Legault 🍉 🗳️

@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

Let us not forget as well we live in a patriarchy, meaning women are rewarded and punished largely at the will of men who as a majority run our governments, institutions, employment, and lives. You have cherry-picked data to blame white women again for everything, when they’re voting for Harris & against restrictive abortion laws in bigger numbers ever seen before. If you are going to make these claims as a cheap shot, do yr research

Risotto Voted

@mekkaokereke @altruios @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

showing a spike on its own vs comparing it on the same axis is a bit weird. don't cherry pick.

1. Gaza is searched more, obviously, so context and size are important.
2. People are still occasionally curious about if others can see their vote, especially in 2020
3. end to end chat still has value, as does privacy from big tech.
4. marketing can bring something to light, but, as you've pointed out in the past, people are gonna watch what they're gonna watch ("silly videos get more engagement than hateful ones") so... if it has traction, it's for a reason.

This seems like a flip-flop from your usual logic that algorithms don't influence people, or that algorithms are positive-biased, or should be.

Sometimes the genuine news people need is bad, or the genuine privacy advice is that google spies on you. Is it upsetting? sure. Is it valuable to the target demographic? yes.

Is news typically racist and sensationalized, sure.

mekka okereke :verified:

@LALegault @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

I haven't cherry picked anything.

White women in the US consistently vote for the most racist person on the ballot. White women self-identity as pro-life.

They aren't voting for Harris in huge numbers. All the data that you can find on this smerges white women with other women to make it look like white women are significantly pro-Harris, when that's not the case.

Don't bring your indignity at the way white women vote into my mentions.

LA Legault 🍉 🗳️

@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

You don’t have a fucking clue what you are talking about or the nuances at play here and I am too angry to continue this. Maybe pick on someone else for once, women are tired.

Madeleine Morris

@WhiteCatTamer @SpaceLifeForm @Tarah

People who grow up in repressive, punitive families learn how to lie very early.

The thing about Christofascism is that the ideal is so humanly impossible to live up to, there is no existing without lying. Indeed, that is it's power - to force everyone to live a lie.

mekka okereke :verified:

@LALegault @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

I don't care about your anger.‍️

It's par for the course for people that refuse to hold white women accountable for the harm they cause.

The majority of white women voters, consistently vote for a racist, and you're mad at a Black man for saying that? Get out of my mentions.

I'm immune to your anger, and your tears. I don't care about your feelings. I care about combating racism. Especially the kind of racism that denies accountability.

George Snorewell

@mekkaokereke @LALegault @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson
Excuse me.

Who the fuck are you talking to?

If you're talking to me here, take your anger and misogyny elsewhere.

Make sure you're directing your rants correctly, please.

Mind how you go now.

Edit: you appear to be responding to someone I can't see, so they're blocked or muted.

Kindly don't tag me in this. You look like a nutter.

mekka okereke :verified:

@DoesntExist @LALegault @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

I wasn't responding to you. I was responding to someone mad that 47% of white women self-identity as pro-life, and more than 50% of white women voters voted for Trump, twice.

Of course I look like a nutter. I'm speaking against racism.

And it's funny how white people think it's misogynistic to point out how much racism white women do, but Black women don't think that's misogynistic. Black women say "That's what we've been saying!!!"

LA Legault 🍉 🗳️

@mekkaokereke @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

No. You came into a woman’s comments who was speaking about domestic violence and made it about you, and racism. You look nuts because it is nuts and extremely anti-social to do that. You are attacking her as a member of a large demographic that she is a member of by no choice. She is not responsible for shitty white women. If you want to talk about racism do it on your own page and stop flinging it as an insult at her

mekka okereke :verified:

@LALegault @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

You're a liar. I didn't attack OP. I didn't even reply to her post. I replied to a post 3 down from that.

I've been crystal clear on every post I've made on this topic, and I've made many. Domestic violence is bad. That's not what I'm talking about.

I'm talking about you reality challenged individuals, who try to minimize the amount of racism done by white women in this country, at the ballot box and in other places.

mekka okereke :verified:

@LALegault @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

You asked where I got my stats, and when I shared them, you got all mad and angry, and I told you that I don't care.‍️

If a Black man pointing out how much racism white women in the US do makes you mad? Then my account is not a good place for you. I don't pander to white nonsense. I don't sugar coat. I'm not gentle.

More than 50% of white women voters voted for Trump. Twice! And for a 3rd time, it's within 2%. Stay mad about that.

mekka okereke :verified:

@risottobias @altruios @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

When have I said that algorithms don't influence people? I've said that what's in the news influences how white people feel about crime.

I already addressed how "Can others see my vote" is a much broader term than the "free Melania" claim.

As mentioned elsewhere in the thread, E2EE is great, Domestic violence is always bad, and I replied down thread from the OP. My reply was clearly about the "trending" claim.

Risotto Voted

@mekkaokereke @altruios @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

mekka okereke :verified: (@[email protected])

If algorithmically increasing the political division and rage on social grew revenue the most, then 4chan would be the highest revenue generator. It's not. The most engaging content is *fun content*. By far. It's not close. https://hachyderm.io/@mekkaokereke/111081046636696300 This is not saying that algorithmic content is good for you, or that growth at all costs is good for society (or even sustainable). But please, stop trying to say that politically divisive content is the most engaging. It absolutely is not. 1/N

Hachyderm.io (hachyderm.io)

well, since google algorithms are a proprietary sauce,

and since we can't tell if bots generate the interest with certainty,

honestly it's almost philosophical to calculate the diff between "people in a vacuum coming up with this question" vs "dems run an ad campaign and people report on it", like "explain the sensation of the color orange to someone who's never seen it"

"does a problem/sentiment exist if unpublished" is odd

could probably A/B test it with regions that didn't see the ads or didn't read the news (but are still voting population) - e.g., non-swing-states?

or A/B test it on a historical basis (which your trend shows) - but it's hard to separate from the historical context (abortion being under threat, more republicans being openly gross towards women, the highlighting of that from dems)

I don't buy that white ladies vote differently, but I also don't think they can't be afraid/curious regardless.

Risotto Voted

@mekkaokereke @altruios @DoesntExist @jcrabapple @Tarah @corycarson

white ladies can vote the same as their husbands AND still be annoyed that their spouses want to look over their shoulder at the booth