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Here's how to vote in the
Liberal leadership race.
Here's how to vote in the Liberal leadership race.
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@gemelliz no thanks, I went down that road in 2015 and it brought us here, to the results of 9 years of pandering to economic neoliberalism and lying about implementing reforms.
Canada will be better off if the Liberal party gets wiped out. It's not a time to be meeting fascism halfway.
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With respect, @johnefrancis, joining a party to have a say in who the next leader will be is one of the few levers of power Canadian citizens have—and it’s the closest any of us gets to choosing who might become PM.
It’s not committing to a marriage and it doesn’t have to have any influence on who you actually vote for in an election.
I once joined the Conservatives in order to do my part to ensure Maxine Bernier didn’t become party leader.
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@johnefrancis Oh no! You participated in a party leadership election once (10yrs ago) and didn't get the results you wanted EXACTLY. May as well burn the whole system down.
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@johnefrancis @gemelliz How is that working out right now for leftist and minority Americans? Accelerationism only works for those with enough privilege to ride out the fascist period. While you have the luxury of watching as things burn to the ground, many others will have no chance of surviving the fire.
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Considering that the NDP has slipped in the polls, are essentially dead east of Ontario, stagnant in Ontario, and only has a hope of maybe picking up a few seats in BC, this is a bizarre request.
Unless you really want mini-Trump cutting services, and rolling back rights.
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@alessandro @gemelliz it's working out exactly as expected having the Democratic party idling in the economic right playing for the wrong team.
There are many differences in the details, but the post 2000 OLP and Democrats have the same problem. They don't attempt to reform economic neoliberalism. Talk left, act right.
They couldn't even muster a genuine advance against facists when they had the chance, by dissolving the fascist disinformation machine.
Centrism is no solution.
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@Sir_Osis_of_Liver @Jeff @gemelliz won't be particularly sad to see the NDP collapse completed as well. They've slipped and are dying because they never suggest any reforms that will change the neoliberal system. The current party never whispers anything about economics. They stay within the lines. A shell of a party.
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The parties are a reflection of different segments of the population.
Most people are somewhere around the centre, with numbers thinning as you get to the left or right wing extremes.
That's how the Liberals became known as "the natural governing party", they generally avoid radical change, but will do incremental change.
If your views aren't reflected in the main parties, maybe that's not the parties' issue.
That's why the Marxists and Christian Heritage Party still put up candidates here and there. It's also why they're definitely on the fringe.
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@Sir_Osis_of_Liver @Jeff @gemelliz the parties follow developments in society, not the other way around. It's not really fruitful to waste time trying to convince parties to adopt particular perspectives. They'll adopt them if they become popular.
I think it's productive to point out to other Canadians that they won't find any parties with an anti-facist, anti-neoliberalism, pro-human agenda. Those ideas are quite popular here, but not credibly reflected in Canadian parties.
