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If you guys keep thinking you’ve won every debate, always have the correct opinion on everything, and don’t prove it because you think you don’t have to defend any position because all you do is demonize your opponent, that’s how you lose elections to orange reality TV stars.

Keep up the smugness. Enjoy republican rule.

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That’s some DARVO nonsense. People don’t become racists because someone told them to stop being racist - that’s literally reversing cause and effect. Not to mention getting things out of order chronologically. You’re just trying to find some way to be smug and “above it all” and claim you have the answer.

You don’t have the answer, you cannot even get basic causality right.

JackbyDev

No, but the line was recently viral.

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I’m a pretty progressive guy and I don’t think there’s much in here to disagree with. The only nit I would pick is that inertia isn’t a great argument to keep things the way they are. That is, “we’ve always done it this way” isn’t a great reason to do anything.

Your framing of conservatism is in line with the Eisenhower era when we weren’t linked into this existential crisis about the concept of governance. But for the last twenty years (at least) the American right has been against the very idea that the government should govern.

The left is trying to argue about who it should serve, taking its existence as a precondition, and the right is trying to dismantle it without regard for who it serves. As a result, we’re pretty much irrecoverably talking past each other.

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Yes, I did.

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That’s why conservatives use terms they cant define as insults: woke.

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“Historians have a word for Germans who joined the Nazi party, not because they hated Jews, but out of a hope for restored patriotism, or a sense of economic anxiety, or a hope to preserve their religious values, or dislike of their opponents, or raw political opportunism, or convenience, or ignorance, or greed.

That word is “Nazi.” Nobody cares about their motives anymore.

They joined what they joined. They lent their support and their moral approval. And, in so doing, they bound themselves to everything that came after. Who cares any more what particular knot they used in the binding?”

― A.R. Moxon

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Back in my teens, a Seventh Day Adventist said that to me. I got the better deal in life.

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What if the only way to turn them is a repeat of 1939-1945?

MacN'Cheezus

I’m old enough to understand that every time you think “this will never happen to me” it’s DEFINITELY going to happen to you.

Ech

Good thing I don’t value the opinion of misogynists.

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It’s not so much that it’s keep things the way they are because we’ve always done it this way.

It’s more, maintain order while we figure out if the system works. If it doesn’t, change it. I don’t think it’s as much inertia as it is there are a lot of things on the agenda. Let’s change what changes would be more effective first

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I saw several variations on this exact meme over the last days, and it is so insanely idiotic I’m halfway to thinking it’s some sort of psy-op. Personally, I like shitting on conservatives as much as the other guy, and… do I really need to explain that one can’t simultaneously talk about Haha How Dumb Those Guys and also call yourself open-minded? The moment you do the former you have given up on the latter.

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Let me be clear: The ones that are aware, the ones that are literally sitting across the table (not simply a member of a mind bogglingly large amorphous group of vague political beliefs), the ones that are actually racist

See, we’re talking about the same people, you’re just more willing to believe the majority are innocent of knowing exactly what they voted for. I don’t, and I do ascribe heavily to that Teddy Roosevelt principle of personal responsibility. The buck stops with me. This lot claim to, and don’t.

If it helps, I’ve been doing a lot of thinking and I believe I’ve narrowed down the problem with my family in particular. “I don’t have to prove shit”, they each said to me, and that’s really why I’ve given up on them. There’s no talking to that.