reminder: the Luddites were not anti-*technology*.

[sam@social.coop]

@tamsin @alexch welcome to the club! Your laminated membership card and smashin' hammer will arrive in 4-6 weeks!

[sam@social.coop]

@nlupo @alexch nah, while I'm sure some profess to be, most or many of us want the same thing the original Luddites did: we should stop conflating "technology" with "progress" and consider how new technologies affect the lives of actual people and the environment before deploying them willy nilly. Be critical of tech and don't just deploy it to make money regardless of the consequences. That's the essence of neo-luddism.

[nlupo@macrofurs.social]

@sam @alexch I'm just anti-capitalist which is much closer to the original idea, despite being very techy guy.

[sam@social.coop]

@nlupo @alexch these two things aren't mutually exclusive, that's also part of neo-luddism.

[gegenwind@chaos.social]

@sam well, Luddits as I heard about them cherished labour. I don’t.

@alexch

[sam@social.coop]

@Gegenwind @alexch who can say, but I doubt that's true. They valued craft, not physical labor. They were originally the ones working on and improving the looms for this reason.

[enoch_exe_inc@mastodon.social]

@Natanox @InkySchwartz @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Welp, you’re wrong. Clearly, it’s America that’s the psychotically corrupt, warmongering rogue state, albeit with enough influence over the world’s economic system to point fingers at other countries, accusing and blaming them for its own doings.

However I won’t (and can’t) deny that China is doing some rather questionable things over in Xinjiang.

[enoch_exe_inc@mastodon.social]

@Natanox @InkySchwartz @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Also, the inspiration for Social Credit came from US credit scoring systems, a notoriously corrupt, inefficient, and easy system to rig as long as you have the money. I seriously doubt it will be much of an improvement.

[natanox@chaos.social]

@enoch_exe_inc @InkySchwartz @foolishowl @alexch *sigh* Discussing with you clearly leads to nowhere. You're so laser-focused on the US and the Anglosphere, blaming them for literally anything either directly or indirectly even if it's purely inside China. Every argument about anything ends with a comparison to the US where everything is worse. Trying to point back to the original topic gets ignored in favour of dunking further on the US.

These discussions ain't productive, I'm done here.

[natanox@chaos.social]

@InkySchwartz @foolishowl @alexch
Context for others who might be curious (the discussion below):
https://mastodon.social/@enoch_exe_inc/113367881081803137