reminder: the Luddites were not anti-*technology*.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to enoch_exe_inc last edited by
@enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Big differences who enforces it, how they do it and of course which topics. There's quite a difference between the potential outcome as well; losing your social media account on one side and anything from losing access to services, neighborhood watch trouble or even police at your door on the other if you're too 'deviant' (e.g. openly criticizing the government).
Of course the topics that are deemed acceptable differ in general.
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Gegenwind :antifa:🇺🇳🖖replied to Alex Chaffee last edited by
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enoch_exe_increplied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by
@Natanox @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Honestly, I think I prefer having China’s reasonable and non-trigger-happy cops at the door over the American secret police disappearing me into the night.
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@alexch oh! I think I may be a Luddite then...
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@enoch_exe_inc @Natanox @foolishowl @alexch
(Blink) You do realize there is a, for now, more prevelent secret police in China that dissappear many citizens and that is part of the suppressed information there.
And then we have the Chinese government's actions towards the Uyghurs in country and abroad.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to InkySchwartz last edited by
@InkySchwartz @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch This. There's nothing reasonable about either countries' law enforcement, one might kill you for looking weird, the other will disappear and strap you on a tiger chair.
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@alexch It's true that Luddites were not against technology (they don't exist anymore), but Neo-Luddites are.
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Sam Whitedreplied to Gegenwind :antifa:🇺🇳🖖 last edited by
@Gegenwind @alexch sounds like a Luddite to me! One if the things they did before the famous revolt was try to get the house of lords to take up a bill to introduce frames in such a way that it would result in less work but still maintain their standard of living as skilled frame operators and repairers with an apprentice program to determine who could take up the trade. Only Byron was in favor if it IIRC.
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@nlupo @alexch nah, while I'm sure some profess to be, most or many of us want the same thing the original Luddites did: we should stop conflating "technology" with "progress" and consider how new technologies affect the lives of actual people and the environment before deploying them willy nilly. Be critical of tech and don't just deploy it to make money regardless of the consequences. That's the essence of neo-luddism.
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Gegenwind :antifa:🇺🇳🖖replied to Sam Whited last edited by
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Sam Whitedreplied to Gegenwind :antifa:🇺🇳🖖 last edited by [email protected]
@Gegenwind @alexch who can say, but I doubt that's true. They valued craft, not physical labor. They were originally the ones working on and improving the looms for this reason.
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enoch_exe_increplied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by
@Natanox @InkySchwartz @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Welp, you’re wrong. Clearly, it’s America that’s the psychotically corrupt, warmongering rogue state, albeit with enough influence over the world’s economic system to point fingers at other countries, accusing and blaming them for its own doings.
However I won’t (and can’t) deny that China is doing some rather questionable things over in Xinjiang.
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@Natanox @InkySchwartz @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Also, the inspiration for Social Credit came from US credit scoring systems, a notoriously corrupt, inefficient, and easy system to rig as long as you have the money. I seriously doubt it will be much of an improvement.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to enoch_exe_inc last edited by
@enoch_exe_inc @InkySchwartz @foolishowl @alexch *sigh* Discussing with you clearly leads to nowhere. You're so laser-focused on the US and the Anglosphere, blaming them for literally anything either directly or indirectly even if it's purely inside China. Every argument about anything ends with a comparison to the US where everything is worse. Trying to point back to the original topic gets ignored in favour of dunking further on the US.
These discussions ain't productive, I'm done here.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by [email protected]
@InkySchwartz @foolishowl @alexch
Context for others who might be curious (the discussion below):
https://mastodon.social/@enoch_exe_inc/113367881081803137
