reminder: the Luddites were not anti-*technology*.
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@enoch_exe_inc @alexch Part of the reason "generative AI" appeals to a lot of entrepreneurs is that they have an ideological commitment to an incredibly reductive idea of humanity.
One side of the dual nature of the commodity is its use value. We can create use values because we are human and understand the desires of other humans.
"Generative AI" is a fantasy of a perfect slave that can create use values without actually having desires. But that's an incoherent concept.
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@foolishowl @enoch_exe_inc @alexch Personally, generative AI is fascinating to me because it’s like an uncensored magic mirror that reflects our collective souls.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to enoch_exe_inc last edited by
@enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Only if you got an uncensored model though. Big models get heavily moderated since to prevent them from being sexist, racist or otherwise badly behaved (whatever they pick up). And honestly that's a good thing if properly done, otherwise this technology would drag down all of society the same way it drags down itself trying to learn from its own output.
Still fascinating to see culminations of societies worst characteristics, indeed.
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@alexch I went as a Luddite tonight, and handed out leaflets to people that I wrote up with exactly that
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to enoch_exe_inc last edited by
@enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch To be fair, public chinese internet is as bad as the western one in telling you what society thinks… here we got profit-driven megacorps manipulating everyone for profit, thereby shoveling negative shit into everyones faces that fuel (negative) emotions. In China you got heavily censored public discussions with 'undesirable' topics being removed or its delivery prevented.
Not surprised people hope for less work though. Chinese people seem awfully overworked.
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enoch_exe_increplied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by
@Natanox @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Not as censored as you think. At least I can talk about stuff there that would get me banned here.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to enoch_exe_inc last edited by
@enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Big differences who enforces it, how they do it and of course which topics. There's quite a difference between the potential outcome as well; losing your social media account on one side and anything from losing access to services, neighborhood watch trouble or even police at your door on the other if you're too 'deviant' (e.g. openly criticizing the government).
Of course the topics that are deemed acceptable differ in general.
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enoch_exe_increplied to Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸 last edited by
@Natanox @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch Honestly, I think I prefer having China’s reasonable and non-trigger-happy cops at the door over the American secret police disappearing me into the night.
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@alexch oh! I think I may be a Luddite then...
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@enoch_exe_inc @Natanox @foolishowl @alexch
(Blink) You do realize there is a, for now, more prevelent secret police in China that dissappear many citizens and that is part of the suppressed information there.
And then we have the Chinese government's actions towards the Uyghurs in country and abroad.
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Natasha Nox 🇺🇦🇵🇸replied to InkySchwartz last edited by
@InkySchwartz @enoch_exe_inc @foolishowl @alexch This. There's nothing reasonable about either countries' law enforcement, one might kill you for looking weird, the other will disappear and strap you on a tiger chair.
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@alexch It's true that Luddites were not against technology (they don't exist anymore), but Neo-Luddites are.
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Sam Whitedreplied to Gegenwind :antifa:🇺🇳🖖 last edited by
@Gegenwind @alexch sounds like a Luddite to me! One if the things they did before the famous revolt was try to get the house of lords to take up a bill to introduce frames in such a way that it would result in less work but still maintain their standard of living as skilled frame operators and repairers with an apprentice program to determine who could take up the trade. Only Byron was in favor if it IIRC.
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@nlupo @alexch nah, while I'm sure some profess to be, most or many of us want the same thing the original Luddites did: we should stop conflating "technology" with "progress" and consider how new technologies affect the lives of actual people and the environment before deploying them willy nilly. Be critical of tech and don't just deploy it to make money regardless of the consequences. That's the essence of neo-luddism.
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Sam Whitedreplied to Gegenwind :antifa:🇺🇳🖖 last edited by [email protected]
@Gegenwind @alexch who can say, but I doubt that's true. They valued craft, not physical labor. They were originally the ones working on and improving the looms for this reason.
