As Noah Berlatsky reports, Green Party voters have long pretended that they really believe their candidate can win.

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@msbellows Yes.

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@thetechtutor I think many people are thinking along those lines, for sure.

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@templetongate Couldn't have said it better. I'm with you on that point 100%.

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@GrayRabbit Good for those family members.

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@jupito @tntneedham I think that calling the American system a parliamentary system shows misunderstanding of the system we have. Many of us in the Democratic party would like to see more than the two options presented to us now by a two-party system. But given the strictures of what we have, we're not going to get that kind of system change except by working within the system as it now exists, to change it from within.

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@murodegrizeco I agree. And the same holds true this year.

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@phaedral @DoomsdaysCW Susan Sarandon, do you mean? Yes, moronic, and some of us just seem unwilling to learn and are poised to make the same mistake all over again.

Janis

@wdlindsy Remember when Antidisestablishmentarianism was the longest word in the dictionary?

The government has let a whole lot of people down. if we want to win over Stien voters, we need to own that.

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Thank Goddess I was a Clinton voter and not a Stein voter in NC in 2016.
Of course my very confused Republican husband voted for Stein. He hated Clinton but hated Trump more.

I saw the numbers for Pa Clinton vs. Stein 2016 and was nearly ill.

Those are some stark freaking numbers.

Holy shit.

Not giving any energy to anything negative. La-la-la-la-la.

Choose Sanity

@wdlindsy The burgeoning Global Brigade of Angry People transcends all kinds of traditional divisions in religion, race, politics, nationality and pretty much everything else you can think of. Nothing means anything anymore except vengeance against … something. Meanwhile, the billionaires sit back and laugh, knowing it won’t be them.

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@CompassionNow What a great comment. I'm boosting it. Thank you!

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@Pagan_Activist @msbellows Thank you. You're right on the mark with that analysis.

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@janisf I have a different analysis. If we expect to turn back the tide of fascism, we need to stop tearing away at each other and bashing the Democrats, while ignoring the REAL problem and danger, which is the Republicans. Otherwise, we might as well admit we're doing the Republicans' work fopr them.

Janis

@wdlindsy Young people. You can't just bash them on the head with everything that's going wrong and blame them. Not only is it inaccurate, it's effectively abusive.

WE need to win THEM. Not the other way 'round.

What are we getting wrong about young voters?, with Cathy Cohen (Ep. 143)

GenForward survey examines Gen Z’s and millennials’ views on the issues, candidates in the 2024 election

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@wdlindsy

One thing I've wondered about - yes, she is running (again) for President, but if by some wild occurrence, she wins and took the office - would she be able to execute the duties fully?
Didn't she have to register as a foreign agent at some point? Those people can't receive classified briefings and other such things, correct?

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@janisf Young people? Where is there any mention of young people in the thread? Someone who wants to tear down the Democratic Party's coalition to serve the ends of the Republican party can find all kinds of ways to try to accomplish that goal.

What that someone forfeits is the right to pretend she or he is really interested in pursuing the goals of the Democratic party as she or he clearly works on behalf of the Republican party.

Enough.

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@KCDOZ I'm not sure Jill Stein ever registered as a foreign agent, though I have seen claims to that effect. It has definitely been proven that her 2016 presidential run was heavily boosted by Russian networks, however.

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@wdlindsy @tntneedham
Yes, I meant to refer to the political system intentionally broken such a way that unfair two-party dominance results.
But the rest of my comment still holds. Your very own party *wants* to and is abusing & deceiving you with no end: even if they couldn't change the system, they could at least admit the problem, and ask for help.
Instead, their message is "vote us, sacrifice Palestine+Israel etc for your abortion rights". And repression & suffering to the rest of Earth.

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@jupito @tntneedham The big threat we face in the US (and this is a global threat, too) comes from the Republican party and not the Democratic party. The Democratic party is far from perfect, but directing attention to it as if it's the enemy given the real threat posed by the Republican party is a sad and dangerous waste of time. I don't intend to waste my own time in that way.