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Khionu S :trans_furr_white:replied to Paul Cantrell last edited by
@inthehands @sandofsky to be a little pedantic: automation is 100% possible and should be used. End to end automation is the issue. Destructive or severe actions (banning, permanent deletion, revoking privileges, etc) should always require a human to hit, at minimum, a confirmation button
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@inthehands Did you quote the right post?
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This from @mathling is a good metaphor. And for some perspective on our current situation: consider how utterly out of reach a 20th-century water treatment plant would be for a medieval city. That’s how far away we are from really figuring this out — if not in centuries, then at least in technology and human process distance.
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Paul Cantrellreplied to Khionu S :trans_furr_white: last edited by
@khionu
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@inthehands Only it’s talking about app reviews, not social media moderation.
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@inthehands @sandofsky Then pay people. We don't have a moderation shortage, we have a wage shortage.
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@inthehands Well, they’re definitely not social media here. This is about Apple refusing to authorize an app for sale/download because it (supposedly) doesn’t meet their requirements.
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The biggest problem is cultural issues. A lot of places are vastly behind on LGBT issues, feminism, etc.
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@Dseitz
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@mighty_orbot
I did not say “social media.” You may have heard that, but I didn’t say it. (What phrase did I use? It was not an accident.)This is about Apple accepting or rejecting user-submitted content to be shared with other users based on (1) how it affects those other users and (2) how it affects the company. That is the •definition• of moderation.
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@inthehands “… it should be clear that improvements in communication tend to divide mankind …” by Harold Innis in Changing Concepts of Time
Someone with a degree in communication science gave me that quote years ago when I was wondering what was wrong with people on social media.
Remember what happened when the printing press was invented, or radio became a commodity?
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@inthehands “Moderation” and “social internet” usually imply social media. A storefront isn’t “social internet”. And it has nothing to do with this: https://hachyderm.io/@inthehands/113182678876034236
I’m not sure what you’re complaining about otherwise; surely we all know it’s a bad idea for Apple NOT to screen apps before making them available for download.
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Chris Dickinsonreplied to Paul Cantrell last edited by
@inthehands yes to all of this. it’s also never been so easy to put a number to how “popular” the sentiment you’re sharing with others is — stuff like favorites, follower counts, and trending topics really changes the goals of communication from what we’re used to as a species
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Sara Joy :happy_pepper:replied to MaineC last edited by
@mainec @inthehands Huh. Right.
The way I see it right now is that we can still only really handle so many meaningful social connections - and trying to do more means something has to give.
Either we end up with hundreds of connections but struggle to deepen any of them into true friendships (hi, it me) and/or we find a narrow social niche online that makes us feel at home (also me).
The real problem here is that some people feel at home in very dangerous company, and can find it easily now.
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@mighty_orbot
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Paul Cantrellreplied to Sara Joy :happy_pepper: last edited by
There’s a counter-point here, and a strong one, about the value of not isolating people. I think of all the queer kids out there who suffered thinking they’re the only ones, and found hope and community online. I think of how, despite caring my whole life about racial justice, I completely missed huge swaths of the reality of racism in the US until I heard Black people discussing their lived experiences online. All that I want.
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Completely agree with @Linza This is a solvable problem that's not getting solved because companies don't want to. They don't care and/or don't want it to influence the bottom line. Lack of moderation is making them money, so there's no incentive to take proper care of it. So incentivese them.
It's also definitely not philosophically intractable. Behavior and speech are moderated through laws and societal norms on a daily basis and we're pretty ok with that.
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Sara Joy :happy_pepper:replied to Paul Cantrell last edited by
@inthehands @mainec oh totally agreeeeee
I have learned so much social good from the internet, and I think the younger generations are also more open minded and free of a lot of traditional societal bullshit because of it.
But while I love that I have been able to find *my* people, those of like mind, we have similar feelings and problems and loves and values - well, everyone else gets to do that too. And some of those people have very different values - some even harmful "values" - to mine.