I've seen people with the title of software engineer say they feel more like software plumbers, and I get where they're coming from, but, like.
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I've seen people with the title of software engineer say they feel more like software plumbers, and I get where they're coming from, but, like. also. aren't plumbers also licensed and held responsible when their work breaks?
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(this is not a call for more gatekeeping in software, for the record; just to point out that for some reason we let software people do whatever the fuck they want and when it breaks everyone else pays the price and we basically don't do that for any other profession)
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Xandra Granade 🏳️⚧️replied to Asta [AMP] last edited by
@aud To the degree that professional licensing for safety-critical work is "gatekeeping," I'm even all for it. I think that's fairly distinct from "you can't study this because I don't like the genital configuration I assume that you have" kind of gatekeeping, though.
(Sorry, I'm being a bit too snarky today...)
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True. The problem, though, are not the software engineers per se, but rampant capitalism that get's away with selling stuff under these conditions (and locking people in). In least in my generation there were a lot of software engineers that were unhappy with this and wished for more professional conduct.
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@[email protected] YEP. Totally agreed. That's partially why I added the addendum about not wanting more gatekeeping in software. It's not the people writing software (with some exceptions) for the most part.
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Glitzersachen.dereplied to Glitzersachen.de last edited by
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... It did not happen, because capital won once more again and preferred to hire less professional dilettants => More malleable, less likely to get uppity (about standards) and less like to jump ship when leaned upon. -
Asta [AMP]replied to Xandra Granade 🏳️⚧️ last edited by
@[email protected] oh no, I definitely agree with that. I think since software already has the latter, though, that an 'accreditation' process would just formalize it so it's probably not an ideal solution. Still, I think people should be more aware of how older professions that built infrastructure have had to reconcile with the potential for harm...
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@[email protected] I once had an argument with someone in the GitHub slack who said that billionaires were good, so. yeah.
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Xandra Granade 🏳️⚧️replied to Asta [AMP] last edited by
@aud Absolutely. I've been to UWaterloo, so I know that first-fucking hand, and I'm still angry a decade later.
I don't think we can get to meaningful safety licensing without dismantling a bunch of oppressive power structures along the way. Which, choo choo motherfucker, I'm all aboard that train.
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Asta [AMP]replied to Xandra Granade 🏳️⚧️ last edited by
@[email protected] fucking right? me too. Let's break that shit down.
