I took the following AI in the OC meeting: "start a thread or book a meeting to discuss next steps in the messaging space per-WG and cross-WG".
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@sam @edumerco @dynamic @flancian @Matt_Noyes @mako @ntnsndr @dazinism @[email protected] I tried it somewhere else where it was super slow too, which is weird because I thought Elixir had an edge on Ruby performance wise. Maybe that was similarly under resourced though...
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I tried out Bonfire's flagship "try it out" instance as well, and it was just as slow if not slower. I feel generally pessimistic about Bonfire, and definitely don't think it's an appropriate forum at this stage for an important discussion that needs to happen. -
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@flancian @edsu @sam @Matt_Noyes @mako @ntnsndr @dazinism
On another different line of thought/software, I had really great experiences with Zulip (https://zulip.com/).What makes it great from my POV is the serious thread model. It helps to know what is happening, keep context, focus on what matters for you (including notificacions), mark as done, etc.
It is not federated, but it is Free Software and we can self-host it.
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@edumerco @flancian @edsu @Matt_Noyes @mako @ntnsndr @dazinism I was thinking before that May First has chat and we have May First access but that it probably wouldn't be ideal for us because it is *just* an account and they don't provide a web client or anything (as far as I know?), but it occurred to me later that we could also just use the May First infrastructure and host our own web client (or just a page recommending actual apps for different operating systems).
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@edumerco @sam @edsu @Matt_Noyes @mako @ntnsndr @dazinism thank you all for your interest and participation!
Ideally I think we could pursue the following using the fact that one of our VPSes is under-utilized currently:
- Install some or all of: a lightweight Matrix server (e.g. conduit), an XMPP server (something prosody adjacent?), a Zulip instance.
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@edumerco @sam @edsu @Matt_Noyes @mako @ntnsndr @dazinism on the topic of what the goal would be, I think the ideal outcome is we offer an extra service to the community *with the initial warning that it might have a worse SLO than the mastodon instance*, meaning they shouldn't rely on it for anything critical yet. Then we see how expensive it is to run and we vote as a community on running it or not?
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@flancian @edumerco @edsu @Matt_Noyes @mako @ntnsndr @dazinism I'd like to push back on "why not" as a reason to do anything. More specifically, I think we'll have different requirements depending on if this is for all users or just for a few working groups to use (I suspect if it's for all social.coop members as a service those requirements will be a superset of the requirements for if it's just us). We should decide what we want to do here and have a good reason for it up front IMO.
