Lemmy moderators get 2 tools only: a sledge hammer and a chainsaw. We need a toolbox with sharper tools.
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replaceable [he/him]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Warnings would be useful, folding would be useless, vote manipulation would be bad for mod action transparency
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[email protected]replied to replaceable [he/him] last edited by
folding would be useless
Bizarre that you think that. Bizarre that people are agreeing. Can you elaborate? Why would it be useful to have low-quality content fully expanded by default? Isn’t the status quo with Lemmy to use voting to sink and fold low quality posts?
I personally do not have time to read every single comment when I step into a thread. I want to see the best commentary first and only the less interesting stuff if choose to keep reading, if I have time. The nature of a tree of threads results in some garbage responses to quality comments that rise to the top. If you do not fold anything, you are then forced to see junk before quality, because the 2nd best comment in the tree is still below a low quality reply to the best quality comment.
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BountifulEggnog [she/her]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Mods should not be curators of good and bad content. Their job should be removing blatant spam/offensive content. I do not want a small, private group of users shadow banning comments or massively upvoting posts.
A warning system is probably worth having though :shrug-outta-hecks: I thought removing comments already kinda functioned this way, but I don’t think it alerts the user what was removed. That’s the only change I think should be made.
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Acute_Engles [he/him, any]replied to [email protected] last edited by
Isn’t the status quo with Lemmy to use voting to sink and fold low quality posts?
No downvotes on hexbear. So no, it’s not the status quo here.
You’re getting pushback because we don’t put a lot of value in civility here and the best way to disagree or criticize someone is to post about it.
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[email protected]replied to Acute_Engles [he/him last edited by [email protected]
No downvotes on hexbear. So no, it’s not the status quo here.
I said “status quo with Lemmy”, thus talking about the software, not the configuration. Note this is a cross-post. The original post was on Sopuli.
The software is designed to use the down votes to arrange the better quality content on top of the thread (to some extent¹). Of course if you disable the functionality on an instance then that particular instance does not use it, which is orthogonal to a discussion of how to improve the software. It would be bad quality engineering to design the software for a specific configuration of a particular instance.
¹ though not entirely because age is a factor AFAICT.
You’re getting pushback because we don’t put a lot of value in civility here and the best way to disagree or criticize someone is to post about it.
You can’t disagree when the post is censored. What do you reply to? I don’t think anyone has yet mentioned an alternative way to discourage a moderator from abusing their power to remove msgs they don’t agree with, which is the most rampant problem with moderation in the threadiverse (not just talking about hexbear but wherever Lemmy runs). The hexbear status quo encourages the abuses of power they think they are discouraging by having blunt tools. Which is not to say I’ve seen any such abuses of power on hexbear… not visited it much.
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[email protected]replied to BountifulEggnog [she/her] last edited by
Their job should be removing blatant spam/offensive content.
When removal is the only tool you give them, they use it to remove outright content that is on-topic and civil. Limiting them to heavy tools encourages abuses of power.
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BountifulEggnog [she/her]replied to [email protected] last edited by
I haven’t seen that issue here, broadly speaking.
Some of what you suggest is very subtle, and many people wouldn’t notice it being done to other users. It seems like a very direct, but subtle, way for moderators to pick sides and show users they like/don’t like different treatment. With removing comments, it is obvious to everyone a comment was removed and checking to make sure the decision was fair is easy. Collapsing a comment because you don’t think its great is subtle enough for other users not to notice, and is a very subjective ruling.
Giving them subtle tools is what encourages power. Right now, if a mod doesn’t like what I post, they have to justify the removal. They don’t have to justify collapsing because “oh it was just low effort” or something like that. With a removal, the reason needs to be concrete and defensible. Which is good, that’s the role I feel moderators should have. Remove things for clearly defined reasons.
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[email protected]replied to BountifulEggnog [she/her] last edited by [email protected]
I’ve seen removals without rationale. The software allows it and mods tend to only give a reason in the most justifiable cases (spam). I’ve also seen robotic removals, where nothing appears in the modlog. These are entirely untraceable. It happens when a removal is systemwide and not by a local moderator.
Of course these features can be designed to spec. A msg folding action could (and should) force a rationale, which would then be more transparent than removals (which users have to go to the modlog for – only to potentially find nothing). Burying rationale in the modlog is not good for accountability because that’s less visited than the thread, which is where the folding rationale would appear.
And worse, removals are unnoticeable to the author. Authors see their own removed comments just fine. The status quo is very sneaky. I’ve discovered my comments were quietly removed /months/ after the removal, incidentally, because of the subtle way they are implemented. In one case it was because I was searching for my own comment using a different account than what I authored it with, and that was the only reason I could then realize it was removed. If you generally want to know if you have been censored, you need to periodically search for your own posts in the sitewide modlog. It does not get any more subtle than that.
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jaywalker [they/them, any]replied to [email protected] last edited by
When an arrogant presumptuous dick dumps hot-headed uncivil drivel
So you would censor this comment you’ve linked to for being uncivil, but it’s cool when you call someone names in a cross post like this? Why are you being so uncivil? I didn’t even read your essay because I was so overwhelmed by your disregard for civility.
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ashinadash [she/her]replied to [email protected] last edited by
they use it to remove outright content that is on-topic and civil.
dbzero user
I dunno, moderation on hexbear seems better than db0. Skill issue?
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[email protected]replied to ashinadash [she/her] last edited by [email protected]
I have many accounts. No issues on db0 as far as I recall.
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[email protected]replied to jaywalker [they/them last edited by [email protected]
So you would censor this comment you’ve linked
You’ve misunderstood. You need to re-read that entry.