on #bluesky there literally is the guy with the big dial constantly looking back at the audience for approval like a contestant on the price is right
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@aud @jonny @dalias @ireneista a while back, i talked about making a bookmark sharing tool, like the old days. i thought it might be a good way to seed a search engine.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] it might not even be best to have a map, but many. In fact, I think that might be ideal. I think a concentration of visibility or control is not appropriate. It’s not hard to see how the concept of search has created awful hierarchies and rewards exploitation.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I’ve been thinking about that too! That if there is a tool to search, it should allow you to just trivially save things and pass them around. Oddly, I think ActivityStreams is a good format for that.
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@aud @dalias @dysfun @ireneista this statement should have an auto warn attached to it: turn back now
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@aud @jonny @dalias @ireneista yes, i am just burned out on building fedi apps still.
anyway, you could choose to trust your friends and have their results appear in search etc. was the cool bit
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] lmao
But to be fair, repurposing social media platforms as information sharing platforms… not an awful idea, in a way. -
@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] oh yeah, I get that. I mostly mean for compatibility’s sake, not specifically for activity pub itself.
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@aud @jonny @dalias @ireneista anyway it is still seeming very important, so i might just build it without federation but designed to cope with it.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I agree. I think anything we can do to regain control over information access from the monopoly google has on it is… good. Informal networks seem like an excellent thing that… well, they already do exist, but a tool to help encourage them would be excellent.
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@aud @jonny @dalias @ireneista honestly i am noticing i would be fucked if i didn't already know all the useful websites.
and that scares me because not everyone knows all the useful websites.
we have hit that late stage of capitalism where they have wrecked our information infrastructure so much it could die with us and we can't even trust what we're reading isn't ai-generated bollocks. i didn''t honestly think we'd get this far.
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@ireneista @aud @jonny "Embeds adtech" is an easier machine evaluated predicate than "seeks profit".
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@aud @jonny @dalias @dysfun we think the right form of encouragement is less a tool, and more an essay singing their praises (while carefully explaining what went wrong last time around)
if that sounds like a thing you know how to write, please do. we'd love to, and hopefully we eventually will, but it's...... writing is slow
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I’ve been angry about this ever since Microsoft jammed ChatGPT into Bing two years ago… and I thought my anger would fade, or dull, and it hasn’t. It’s still white hot. It’s the digital equivalent of burning the damn library.
They won’t undo it (they can’t, not without becoming led by a totally different group of people) so it’s basically up to people to do it. -
@aud @jonny @dysfun @ireneista Ugh this shit is 2 years old already?
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] well, we’re a little shy of it, but… close : (
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] I think so too. It’s also unfortunately subject to the same arms race google fought before… well, anyway, even active links can switch from fine to adtech spyware city. The nature of the tech could (and would) change, etc. active curation is definitely necessary no matter what algorithm or criteria are selected for in the beginning; both of the dataset and the selection criteria.
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@aud @jonny @ireneista Google didn't fight the arms race. They enthusiastically embraced content farm garbage out of a mix of profit motive and ideology.
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@aud @jonny @ireneista At every step of the way, they had easy ways to completely delist spam. Their engineers didn't want to and management/legal wouldn't let them if they had wanted to.
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@[email protected] @[email protected] @[email protected] well, yes. There was a balance between those competing ideals for a while, at least, which is really more of what I was referring to.
Whatever it was is definitely gone now.
