that this is one of the most popular posts on mastodon currently is a clear indication of how widely pervasive the reply-guy problem is here, and that its not just a few obnoxious person that contribute to the problem
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to Stefan Bohacek last edited by
@ophiocephalic @thisismissem @laurenshof I definitely see where you're coming from, I just feel like the situation is so bad right now that it's worth trying, just for a bit. I would like to believe that at least some folks contributing to this problem are not trying to be malicious.
It's a bit like the "Replies from other servers may be missing" that was just added. Just a gentle reminder to think before you reply. And that's something we can all use every now and then.
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to Emelia πΈπ» last edited by
@thisismissem @ophiocephalic @laurenshof What if it was something more subtle, like the "Replies from other servers may be missing" note I just mentioned?
"You don't follow this person, be nice!"
Something short and simple?
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ophiocephalic πreplied to Stefan Bohacek last edited by
@stefan
Question here. Capitalist social networks have intermittently deployed things like this. Has there been any analysis on its efficacy in improving the tone of discourse? -
Stefan Bohacekreplied to ophiocephalic π last edited by
@ophiocephalic @thisismissem @laurenshof That's a very valid question, and I would love to see some data on this myself.
Although, are those notices typically dismissible? Either way, I guess it's more of a hypothesis I'd like to test, to see if a more persistent reminder could possibly contribute to a social change, over time.
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@stefan @thisismissem @ophiocephalic
the core problem is that people do not seem to think that it is not nice to reply with complaints
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ophiocephalic πreplied to Emelia πΈπ» last edited by
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Emelia πΈπ»replied to ophiocephalic π last edited by
@ophiocephalic @stefan @laurenshof
That is, these ideas are not just being pulled out of thin air, there's a lot of research & testing that plays into these changes.
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@laurenshof tl;dr comes across multiple ways, but its a valid response to posts that are off putting for that reason, in a similar way (or worse) that a paywall link is. So people began putting tl;dr summaries at the end of their long posts (or here as content warning) to address this criticism.
I don't read it as a request or demand to post a link to a mirror of the paywalled article, but that is really nice when someone posts such a link.
Its curious the discussion here considers shaming of these brief contentious criticism when in a way pw;dr is similarly a negation.
Reply guy terminology indicates a cultural in-crowd and by extension exclusion, even though the term is trying to define a kind of behavior people don't like. The confusion about what reply guy means in this thread highlights how reply guy can cause people to self-censor because they think the term may apply to them, even when it doesn't. Its still not well known so maybe that confusion will dissipate. Really the paywall abbreviation and reply guy label work similarly as a way to denigrate a behavior.
Criticizing someone for posting paywall links is a valid criticism because of its inaccessibility, irregardless that there is a work around. The expectation that someone should just not say anything is an expectation of self-censorship. Still, I agree the criticism should be positive and constructive instead, but pw;dr is a good way to get the point across quickly, and who has the time to write long posts... oh, wait, nevermind.
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@HeliosPi tl;dr
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@HeliosPi i did actually read it all and im still pretty strongly of the opinion that tl;dr is rude in pretty much all circumstances unless youre mutuals with a shared understanding