that this is one of the most popular posts on mastodon currently is a clear indication of how widely pervasive the reply-guy problem is here, and that its not just a few obnoxious person that contribute to the problem
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sam henri goldreplied to Emelia πΈπ» last edited by
@thisismissem i wanna figure out how to make settings feel less detached from the whole web app. regarding moderation stuff, i just started my own server for side project bots to experience it first hand.
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@laurenshof @jenniferplusplus On the flip side, a lot of times people arenβt aware that a link is paywalled when they shared it*, and asking for or sharing a non-paywalled link can help others
*i find it deeply sad that βit works on my computerβ has come for hyperlinks
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@lenlayton no, before you know it people will start demanding content warnings for things like pictures of food
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malena / bikes not bombsreplied to malena / bikes not bombs last edited by
@laurenshof I also think shaming is a useful tool here, and we should use it
People should feel bad weird and othered when they post bad weird replies
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Laurens Hofreplied to malena / bikes not bombs last edited by
@seachanger yeah agreed think shaming is a powerful tool here
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Jenniferplusplusreplied to Matthew Lyon last edited by [email protected]
@mattly @laurenshof but I think that goes back to Lauren's point. Asking for a gift link is constructive and engages with the OP. "pw;dr" is entitled and dismissive
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Emelia πΈπ»replied to sam henri gold last edited by
@samhenrigold I'm leaning that there's three different things: settings, moderation tools, and admin. Currently those are all merged together.
I wouldn't recommend rewriting all those in the webapp in react.
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Renaud Chaputreplied to Emelia πΈπ» last edited by
@thisismissem settings should probsbly be moved to the react app. It would also ensure we expose those settings correctly in the API, and provide a better UI for most users. i al fine with admin/mods not be in the main app, those are quite specific apps for a small amount of users @samhenrigold
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Can-crisociality π¦γ°οΈπ₯«replied to Laurens Hof last edited by
@laurenshof I can dimly recall when i first joined Mastodon and held a naive optimism that a slightly longer character limit would enable people to signal tone in replies, so one wouldn't impute being curt or snippy to a reply that was good-faith, but compressed or brief. LMAO.
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ophiocephalic πreplied to Emelia πΈπ» last edited by
@thisismissem
Respectfully requesting that you don't consider doing anything in the composer box like this. By adding more friction/confusion/clutter, you're penalizing the vast majority of users who aren't rude reply guys, while almost certainly failing to change the behavior of actual offenders. A better idea for technically addressing this problem would be comment control, for which there is currently a widespread clamor -
Laurens Hofreplied to Can-crisociality π¦γ°οΈπ₯« last edited by [email protected]
@inquiline those happy days of naive hope! good times haha, i was very much the same
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Emelia πΈπ»replied to Renaud Chaput last edited by
@renchap @samhenrigold yeah, that's my gut feeling as well.
Everything that's end-user related should be moved to API + React, but everything moderation or admin related should be on the react side, perhaps with a sprinkling of turbo or something
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Emelia πΈπ»replied to ophiocephalic π last edited by
@ophiocephalic @stefan @laurenshof it's all part of the same problem.
e.g., it might be that the friction point only shows once or every N months or something, not every reply.
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ophiocephalic πreplied to Emelia πΈπ» last edited by
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The same problem, but different approaches to a solution. Comment control empowers all users, while added friction penalizes all users for the actions of a few -
Emelia πΈπ»replied to ophiocephalic π last edited by
@ophiocephalic @stefan @laurenshof if it's βyou see this once and then never again" or βyou see this once every 6 months", it's not at all adding that much friction, that's what I'm getting at.
This wouldn't be "show this every timeβ
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to ophiocephalic π last edited by
@ophiocephalic @thisismissem @laurenshof Yes, we definitely need better reply controls, for sure.
I just see this as an additional tool, all of them working together.
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to Stefan Bohacek last edited by
@ophiocephalic @thisismissem @laurenshof I definitely see where you're coming from, I just feel like the situation is so bad right now that it's worth trying, just for a bit. I would like to believe that at least some folks contributing to this problem are not trying to be malicious.
It's a bit like the "Replies from other servers may be missing" that was just added. Just a gentle reminder to think before you reply. And that's something we can all use every now and then.
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Stefan Bohacekreplied to Emelia πΈπ» last edited by
@thisismissem @ophiocephalic @laurenshof What if it was something more subtle, like the "Replies from other servers may be missing" note I just mentioned?
"You don't follow this person, be nice!"
Something short and simple?
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ophiocephalic πreplied to Stefan Bohacek last edited by
@stefan
Question here. Capitalist social networks have intermittently deployed things like this. Has there been any analysis on its efficacy in improving the tone of discourse? -
Stefan Bohacekreplied to ophiocephalic π last edited by
@ophiocephalic @thisismissem @laurenshof That's a very valid question, and I would love to see some data on this myself.
Although, are those notices typically dismissible? Either way, I guess it's more of a hypothesis I'd like to test, to see if a more persistent reminder could possibly contribute to a social change, over time.