that this is one of the most popular posts on mastodon currently is a clear indication of how widely pervasive the reply-guy problem is here, and that its not just a few obnoxious person that contribute to the problem
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Emelia ๐ธ๐ปreplied to Stefan Bohacek last edited by
@stefan @laurenshof you probably could create an issue for it, but I also think it's something the mastodon team are already investigating.
I think something that'd be really good to see is a documentation section on "UI guidelines & recommendations for client apps"
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malena / bikes not bombsreplied to Laurens Hof last edited by
@laurenshof @joelving it points to a more substantive and really irritating group of replies: โyou, a stranger, need to perform labor so that I can possess your contentโ
this group includes the people demanding you Google for them, demanding you contact authors and get โmore dataโ, demanding you go to archive ph instead of them etc
The root ideology is communitu without boundaries or consent
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malena / bikes not bombsreplied to Laurens Hof last edited by
@laurenshof i agree & thx for saying it. i think this culture is starting to shift because more and more of us are naming it and resisting it. Iโd like to make little Instagram like images that link to a blog that explains the whole problem and taxonomy, so when someone does one of these, I can just reply with the image or link, mute and move on
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sam henri goldreplied to Emelia ๐ธ๐ป last edited by
@thisismissem @stefan @laurenshof I will get the composer into a modal even if it kills me.
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@laurenshof Maybe start warning people that the link is paywalled
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@thisismissem @tom @stefan @laurenshof Maybe a little yellow warning banner above the post form? Not a popup, you can click an x to get rid of it, the banner just basically tells you a little bit of context about it being a really old post, or that the person isnโt a mutual?
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Emelia ๐ธ๐ปreplied to sam henri gold last edited by
@samhenrigold as an aside, I'm thinking modals in the moderation and admin tools could be useful too (just haven't had a chance to prototype)
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sam henri goldreplied to Emelia ๐ธ๐ป last edited by
@thisismissem i wanna figure out how to make settings feel less detached from the whole web app. regarding moderation stuff, i just started my own server for side project bots to experience it first hand.
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@laurenshof @jenniferplusplus On the flip side, a lot of times people arenโt aware that a link is paywalled when they shared it*, and asking for or sharing a non-paywalled link can help others
*i find it deeply sad that โit works on my computerโ has come for hyperlinks
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@lenlayton no, before you know it people will start demanding content warnings for things like pictures of food
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malena / bikes not bombsreplied to malena / bikes not bombs last edited by
@laurenshof I also think shaming is a useful tool here, and we should use it
People should feel bad weird and othered when they post bad weird replies
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Laurens Hofreplied to malena / bikes not bombs last edited by
@seachanger yeah agreed think shaming is a powerful tool here
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Jenniferplusplusreplied to Matthew Lyon last edited by [email protected]
@mattly @laurenshof but I think that goes back to Lauren's point. Asking for a gift link is constructive and engages with the OP. "pw;dr" is entitled and dismissive
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Emelia ๐ธ๐ปreplied to sam henri gold last edited by
@samhenrigold I'm leaning that there's three different things: settings, moderation tools, and admin. Currently those are all merged together.
I wouldn't recommend rewriting all those in the webapp in react.
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Renaud Chaputreplied to Emelia ๐ธ๐ป last edited by
@thisismissem settings should probsbly be moved to the react app. It would also ensure we expose those settings correctly in the API, and provide a better UI for most users. i al fine with admin/mods not be in the main app, those are quite specific apps for a small amount of users @samhenrigold
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Can-crisociality ๐ฆใฐ๏ธ๐ฅซreplied to Laurens Hof last edited by
@laurenshof I can dimly recall when i first joined Mastodon and held a naive optimism that a slightly longer character limit would enable people to signal tone in replies, so one wouldn't impute being curt or snippy to a reply that was good-faith, but compressed or brief. LMAO.
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ophiocephalic ๐replied to Emelia ๐ธ๐ป last edited by
@thisismissem
Respectfully requesting that you don't consider doing anything in the composer box like this. By adding more friction/confusion/clutter, you're penalizing the vast majority of users who aren't rude reply guys, while almost certainly failing to change the behavior of actual offenders. A better idea for technically addressing this problem would be comment control, for which there is currently a widespread clamor -
Laurens Hofreplied to Can-crisociality ๐ฆใฐ๏ธ๐ฅซ last edited by [email protected]
@inquiline those happy days of naive hope! good times haha, i was very much the same
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Emelia ๐ธ๐ปreplied to Renaud Chaput last edited by
@renchap @samhenrigold yeah, that's my gut feeling as well.
Everything that's end-user related should be moved to API + React, but everything moderation or admin related should be on the react side, perhaps with a sprinkling of turbo or something
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Emelia ๐ธ๐ปreplied to ophiocephalic ๐ last edited by
@ophiocephalic @stefan @laurenshof it's all part of the same problem.
e.g., it might be that the friction point only shows once or every N months or something, not every reply.