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I would argue that IP doesnt need to be purly capitalistic though. Yea i agree that if we have a life saving drug, dont let 1 company monopolize the shit out of it and let people die for an extra dollar, but i dont know that ill say IP shouldnt exist.

If someone writes a story, creates a character or world, i want that content creator to be able to develop it without people infringing. If someone created a great game, i dont want a bunch of shit companies racing to put out the next title in the interest of making a buck off someone elses idea. I want who ever created that game to own the franchise long enough that they can make a second, third, or 4th game (or what ever media they adapt) to continue telling their story before other people put out low quality content that spoils the franchise

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You implied that being Chinese is a counterpoint to people calling you racist. That's what I was commenting on.

Whether what you said to those people was racist or not is out of the point. I was criticizing the fact that you consider that being Chinese would prevent you from being racist, which is absurd.

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i dont know that ill say IP shouldnt exist.

And the authors aren't really saying that, either.

To be clear, I don't agree with all of the authors' positions. I also think it's worth noting that the authors are not advocating for an elimination of the patent and copyright systems without replacing them with systems better suited to ensuring creator prosperity while also allowing for speedier human innovation.

It's worth a read, if you're interested in the subject matter. It challenged my opinions on the intellectual property, but didn't change them entirely. Things they discuss, such as patent trolling and patent squatting are worth contemplation. How can we change IP law to disincentivize such antisocial intellectual property law use?

AwesomeLowlander

I think pretty much everybody can agree that being of a certain race gives you a lot more leeway and defense against accusations of racism against that race. It would take an extremely radical statement to go beyond that.

... at least, that's what my black friends tell me when they call each other 'nigga'.

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to a point i feels like they're seeing us as a lesser kind that need protection.

You hit the nail right on the head with that observation.

Speaking in accordance with someone's wishes when they're not around to advocate for themselves in a private conversation is fine. Publicly speaking on behalf of an entire demographic that someone knows nothing about is bigoted as hell. It shows a complete lack of respect through assuming they know what's best for others, and it's super condescending as it treats people of the demographic as if they lacked the capacity and autonomy to speak up for themselves.

Queen HawlSera

"Cultural Appropiation" is the single dumbest thing I've ever fucking heard.

All cultures grow by learning about and adopting customs of other cultures, or in other words by appropiating things from other cultures.

And if they did that didn't we wouldn't have things like anime (Japan took the art of animation from America, not only did The US invent cartoons, but anime evolve from styles used on early Disney cartoons), rock music (Rock musicians are predominantly white, but rock itself evolved from distinctly black forms of music), or really most food in general (Pizza's from Italy, French Fries are from Belgium, Hot dogs are from Germany..... Need I go on?)

At best, demonizing cultural appropiation is just encouraging segregation.

Now if you're wearing the colors or clothing of another culture specifically with intent to insult or in a less-than-glamorous way... That's a different story.

This is the kind of Neo Liberal nonsense that makes me wish I had a party to root for that wasn't the Democrats

Queen HawlSera

It turned out that although she looked white and her parents looked white, her extended family was actually asian. So it wasn't even appropiation to begin with.

Still whites need to chill, my fellow honkeys, please stop getting offended on behalf of others. Playing the role of the "White Savior" comes off as more bigoted than progressive.

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Obviously intent comes into it, where wearing a reductive costume without any awareness (your Halloween costume example) is callous and ignorant of that person. I think some ignorance can be excused if this person couldn't reasonably be expected to understand all the implications of a costume, even if it's someone who should be expected to (thinking Trudeau Jr or Prince Harry when younger).

Regardless of the hypothesised (or real) impact to the community of someone wearing clothing arguably offensive to minorities with ancestry in the culture being mocked, those aspects aren't what this cartoon is about. It's about idiots who don't understand nuance and repeat shit they see on social media unthinkingly until you get this absurd situation where someone wearing a hat and wearing it well is screamed at in public for no discernible reason.

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Lots of people seeing it will do the same kind of wrong-generalisation in the opposite direction though, and take the valid point the cartoon makes to write off all concerns with cultural appropriation, including the valid ones you just made in your first paragraph.

The world is nuanced, and that's nearly never conveyed well in our current public communications systems...

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black people are still slaves but now whites are too

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One thing to note that the one who accused the girl for cultural appropriation is chinese themselves, but even then, who are they to gatekeep our culture?

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Are you sure it was black and gold and not white and blue?

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It's a tough line to draw, because even if they aren't the main profitees, the culture where the thing originated often still profited. e.g. AFAIK rock'n'roll getting popular with white americans was pretty good for black americans, even though many of the best selling artists (e.g. Elvis Presley) were white.

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also when it becomes an issue is influenced by how accurate it is, how overused it feels, and (obviously) if it was made with the intent to insult

Rentlar

I agree with you the main faux pas is trivializing things others hold sacred. Using costume to mock and make fun of any race or faith is different than wanting to embody it, which is where I think some cultural sensitivity policies sometimes mistakenly conflate. There is some nuance when it comes to historical and current power dynamics, certain costumes rooted in racism (e.g. blackface), which would be suitable justification to allow or bar certain specific costumes. However on the whole, I think ethnic cultures should be able to be expressed by anyone, when done in a positive, respectful manner.

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Although the Chinese on XHS are actually quite annoyed at the waiguoren invasion right now

My feed is mostly english speakers, but every post I saw to the effect of "gtfo this is a chinese space" was getting mocked by chinese people pointing out IP indicated it was posted from America.

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Lol, reminds me of one of the Mario games a while back - no idea what the context was, but Mario took on different personas, which I'm assuming gave him abilities specific to whatever 'form' he took kinda like Kirby.

Anywho, one of them was a Mexican theme, which made Mario don a sombrero and poncho. Lots of touchy white people on the internet were PISSED cuz how could Nintendo be so insensitive to the Mexican culture?!

...meanwhile, Mexican gamers were fucking ecstatic cuz HOLY SHIT MARIO'S WEARING A SOMBRERO! LET'S GOOOOOO!!!

Good times.

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Nah dude we're all 16/f/cali for reals

Captain Aggravated

I saw a The Onion video where a white woman pledged to never say a word that began with the letter N. Not only the N word, all N words.

"I was shouted down for wearing black facepaint and white lipstick, so why does Tom get to wear a kimono?"

ElectricMachman

Case in point: Mexicans loved Speedy Gonzalez.