Vicariously Offended
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I’m guessing that you’re being sarcastic so I’m just going to move on
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Indeed. The author of the comic misrepresents it as appreciating another culture. But really it is intentionally misrepresenting or stealing a culture. Like black Cleopatra. Or Israeli Hummus.
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Your freedom to worship (or not) doesn't mean you're free from the social consequences, though
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I'm not, I even edited the prior comment I made.
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lol ok fair enough then. Sorry for the skepticism
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Wearing specific cloths in an attempt to offend people is offensive. Not hard to understand.
People don't just wear sombreros and fucking native headdresses.
You know what you are doing and it's not clever, cute or funny.
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Wearing specific cloths in an attempt to offend people is offensive. Not hard to understand.
Right but I did say just wearing them alone isn't offensive.
People don't just wear sombreros and fucking native headdresses.
Uhh, what. Some just like different clothes...
And if they were just wearing them they probably wouldn't be bugging random ethnic people about wearing "their" cloths.
I'm not sure what you mean by this. Is this the sort of reasoning that since someone got upset about it the person wearing the clothes must have done something else to upset the other person? There was the kid wearing a kimono thing posted in the comments with someone getting upset about this. I'd be hesitant to say that the kid must've had bad intentions just because someone got upset about it.
You know what you are doing and it's not clever, cute or funny.
I'm disappointed to hear you don't find me cute but I honestly don't know what you mean.
Yet again the right makes up an issue for idiots to be mad about and then "fixes" the issue by being edgy instead of paying attention to real problems in the real world.
Not sure what this has to do with me. I don't think there's an issue to begin with tbh.
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I respect your opinion. I do want to clarify that if, let's say, a white German living in Ghana were broadly discriminated against or mocked for wearing lederhosen (I won't pretend to be able to think of an up-to-date cultural tradition specifically associated with white people, please bear with), then it would be hurtful for their Ghanaian neighbors to start "discovering" lederhosen-inspired fashions while denying the impacts of the ill treatment endured by these oppressed German transplants. It's not about race or hairstyles, but mistreatment at the hands of people who (usually) don't recognize the power or perceived power inherent to their social position.
I will give some more thought to your comment about white people from African countries. My initial reaction is that cornrows may or may not be part of their own culture, and they may not be living in a context where white people have the social power to harm or harass other Africans on a racial basis. If we're talking about South Africa, of course, that's not the case, so it still seems like it comes down to who's in control. But I will reflect on it. Thanks.
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It's not a strawmen in that it doesn't ever happen but it's just that those who get upset about it aren't very numerous so it gets drowned out by those making fun of them. And then others see all those jokes and get the sense it happens a lot more than it does.
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Race and gender are both social constructs, but they aren't analogous. Race is inherited in a way gender isn't. You are the race you are because your parents are the races they are. But you aren't a boy because your dad is a boy, and you aren't a girl because your mom is a girl.
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In this specific instance it was a formal event but I think you were talking generally
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I would like to add another viewpoint to the discussion. I am German, and for me it would heavily depend what you think while you wear it. Basically if I would ask you "what do you think about us Germans in Ghana", the reply of the person would determine if them wearing Lederhosen is inappropriate or not. I absolutely agree with the fact that recognition of the mistreatment is the key point here; however, you often cannot recognize it from the outside. Obviously if someone wears a big MAGA sticker on their back, or a "Black Lives Matter" pin, it is easy to comprehend; but as very often in life, most situations aren't as easy as that.
Long story short, we often cannot recognize from the outside if something is cultural appropriation or not; we would need to ask the person. -
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Troll blocked
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Well alright