Wonder how they'll do with the multi-dimensional foldy phone in 2032

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Not even the same ballpark. Typing accuracy with the Droid 3 keyboard is comparable to desktop. Speed is less with only two fingers instead of ten, but its speed × accuracy is still vastly superior to that of a touchscreen keyboard.

Touchscreens have zero tactile feedback. It's a completely flat panel. Touch typing is impossible. Gesture typing is abysmally inaccurate. Hunt-and-peck is abysmally slow.

Yes, I would probably have liked your old Samsung. Looks pretty similar to my Droid 3.

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No, my desire for autonomy is showing. My Linux PC is my computer and it responds to my decree, as a certain hammy Skyrim character would put it. Android and iOS have the audacity to tell me what I'm allowed to do with my own device, which as far as I'm concerned makes them unserious toys.

You are of course welcome to disagree with my opinion.

My argument for convertible laptops is that, if you really want a tablet for whatever reason, you can have your tablet without the downsides.

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Comparing desktop and phone market share is iffy because a lot of people have both, and I don't believe there are any reliable statistics on the subject to use in our debate.

As for foldables, was it not your argument that you'd rather use one in place of a laptop? If it's meant to be just a phone with a bigger screen, I guess that's cool, but I'd still want to have a computer with a real keyboard and operating system.

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Touch typing (assuming your meaning typing without looking at the keyboard) is not impossible. Im doing it right now..... muscle memory is a big part of it. Dont forget autocorrect and grammar and spelling suggestions do help as well.

Regardless. Who needs touch typing on a phone? You are typing slowly enough to follow exactly what you type without needing to check the text box above to see what you typed.

Let's not pretend that touch typing on a keyboard for thumbs is the same as touch typing on a full-size keyboard. It's waaaay closer to touchscreen typing, especially on my folding phone inner screen.

They may not have tactile feedback, but they do respond with a tiny vibration to show you did hit the key, which is more than enough to alert you if you missed one.

Look, i'm sorry you suck at typing on a touchscreen keyboard, but that doesn't make you right automatically.

And are you just going to forget that you mentioned i have never used a slide out phone keyboard as a point against my argument. but actually i have and now you are just saying you would have liked the samsung one i showed you? Not conceeding anything there? No?

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No, my argument is that they cover a large number of functions that mean i do t need to lug a laptop around with me everywhere. Of course, i will use a laptop or desktop if i can't do something i need to do on my phone, but it's so rare now that i dont even know if my laptop is charged.

Like i mentioned making music. I will use cubasis (sorry, i said elemennts before. That was the one i have on my pc) to sketch out songs. But use my pc when i need a proper recording. But the convenience of composing on my phone (which would be very hard on a none folding or tablet sized screen) takes the majority of the need for my PC for making music away.

Anyway, you are just telling me that your specific use case means you prefer a full desktop and desktop OS. But your pretentiousness ignores that the majority of people dont need that setup. And whilst my needs might include some niche stuff, many of my needs more closely align with the needs of the many.

In a question of which is better, the device that meets the needs of the majority is best. Unless you are asking which is best for me, in which case a comparison is meaningless. As all of our needs are different in small ways.

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But you introduce another number of downsides. "Non-toy" OS's are notoriously bad at touch screen operation, mobile OS's are brilliant at it. Convertable laptops are heavier and have more moving and breakable parts, the batteries dont last as long, the screens are more fragile, they are less widely covered by competant repair services as they are fairly unique in their design, in that they will be harder to get parts for.

Incidentally. Using a custom rom for an android phone mitigates your offence to being "told what you are allowed to do" with your device, and even linux has mobile OS's.

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Yeah people look at me like I'm bonkers when I tell them my xcover has lasted 6 years including getting run over in a crosswalk TWICE (and the screen only had to be replaced the second time after the otterbox took 100% of the damage from the first one). I feel like this replacing devices every year thing has to be terrible for society and the planet in like 5 different ways each.

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yes, my mistake.

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I like my phones like my katana: folded one bazillion times for superior durability

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For those with Samsung folds (4,5,6) that want a solid phone case that has the ability to just barely stick on a magsafe sticker, look here. I'm in Taiwan but you guys can probably find it in America somewhere. It's a Korean brand.

I have dropped my phone from a moving motorcycle going 45mph and the phone was not damaged. I have used this brand case for 3 Fold generations.

The link goes to a Taiwan's ebay equivalent. No affiliate link. Just wanted to share my experience with a amazing case.

https://tw.shp.ee/gErSaeB

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Who the hell keeps their phone in the same pocket as keys?

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Before having wireless earphones I had habit off putting keys with wallet and phone on its own, but since I switched to wireless earbuds they don't fit with large ass phones, so I have to put them with wallet. I already broke one case of earbuds pulling out keys from the pocket that had everything. I switched to keeping my phone and keys in the same pocket.

I've been doing that for almost a decade now and I don't see the value proposition of folding phones yet where I can justify changing my habits again and taking care of yet another tool in my life.

Maybe one day if they had full computer with root privileges in my pocket, I'd consider changing my habits to carry that and make sure it is taken care of.

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I did say touch typing on a thumb keyboard is slower. I also said it's far faster than what I can do on a (normal non-folding no-physical-keyboard) phone.

If you can touch type on your foldable phone's touchscreen keyboard, where you can't feel the boundaries between the keys, then I'm impressed. I didn't think that was possible.

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It's just muscle memory. It's easier with physical keys, but I've used a phone of this shape for over 3 years now, and im using it all the time, so touch typing is just what happens with time.

Maybe playing a musical instrument helps as a lot of that is muscle memory spacial awareness.

Tbh i dont think we should continue this discussion, i would say we just have different needs in our devices. You wont see it my way as my way doesnt meet your needs, and same goes for me and your needs.

Having said that i also dont think its helpful for anyone to decide we know something is bad without personal experience or knowledge of the personal experience of those that have it.

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Why have just one additional failure point when you can have two?

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I keep my AirPods in my pocket watch pocket so don’t really have that issue. Though I’m aware not everyone wears pants with those.

I’d likely just need to be as careful with a foldable as I am with my current phone tbh. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

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Because electronics in general, including TV, PC and regular phones, aren't associated with slave labour lmao
Also, good job on combating climate change and ecosystem trashing by not buying one device, but four of them!

Imagine I want to read an epub or do some gaming, or watch a show while commuting. Do you suggest that I bring all my devices with me on the bus instead of just the foldable phone?