Let's clarify something: does Bluesky allow federated servers on their network? Is there a list of those independent servers?
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to Drunemeton last edited by
@Drunemeton you're welcome, and thank you for the reassurance, friend.🫡
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[email protected]replied to BeAware :fediverse: last edited by
Damn. This needs to be a blog article and saved somewhere! No need to apologize. You’ve done a great job explaining a very technical topic in a simple and relatable way.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to [email protected] last edited by [email protected]
@mark thank you for the compliment and assurance friend.
I am always self conscious about my long winded replies because sometimes even I wouldn't wanna read a post that long.
Though, with topics like this that I'm very passionate about, I feel it's very important to lay out all the information and knowledge I have so that others can make informed decisions themselves based on the most important details.
I discuss Fediverse and networks like it, literally constantly and there's LOTS of nuances with these systems that need lots of explanations.
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[email protected]replied to BeAware :fediverse: last edited by
Thanks for the explanation. Didn’t realize Bluesky/AT is more like a fedi-washed version of ActivityPub rather than a real alternative …
I’m not sure; on the one hand, I think the fact that federation has become a unique selling point in micro-blogging is indicating a positive trend; so even if people join Bluesky its good for the Fediverse. On the other hand, if federated just becomes another buzz word that means nothing at all, while places where the real innovation is happening are drowned out, the window of opportunity could just close.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to [email protected] last edited by
@blue_berry TBH I think our biggest strength here is decentralization, but every day we're inching closer and closer to centralization here in many ways and most don't care.
Mastodon controls how 73% of users interact with Fediverse. Threads, if it fully federates will completely take that over, but then we have 2 corporate entities in charge here and there's nothing any of us are doing about it.
They will be able to enact change in AP that most other softwares can't and effectively completely change Fedi as we know it.
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Frontpage.xyz doesnt seem to exist do you know the correct domain?
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to XNX last edited by [email protected]
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Or maybe they do it because it would be very confusing for 99% of users to read “sign in with your atproto account” when no one knows what that is. Its a good thing theyre keeping things simple for now instead of getting the mastodon “its too complicated” issue and having non tech users not use it.
Mastodon and the activitypub culture is very much either “its too complicated” or “how do you not understand its so simple maybe you’re just dumb and shouldnt be here” energy and its why 99% of topics here are just tech and politics. Almost no artists use it and the few that use it are on mastodon.art which defederates from so many instances.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to XNX last edited by [email protected]
@xnx well, it doesn't really matter their reasoning when the end result is the same.
It won't become truly decentralized with these things in the way.
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It does matter their reasoning and they can change the word when atproto is more understood. No fedi software uses “sign in with your activitypub account” either because confusing users is a bad thing.
I personally like that theyre doing things to appeal to non tech users because i dont want to use a service no one uses. Its why i dont use any activitypub service for my art because theres no artists using activitypub but bluesky has a huge art community even though they still dont have video
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@xnx to each their own.
The anarchist in me doesn't feel right having a corporate overlord who can :yeet: me from existence whenever they choose.️
That's not important to everyone and that's fine. We are all different.
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You can be yeeted here too? And as time goes on people can run their own relays making it impossible for the bluesky team to ban you
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to XNX last edited by [email protected]
@xnx I certainly cannot. I'm on my own instance and there's like 20,000 instances. Someone can *attempt* to yeet me. They'll have a hell of a time getting admin privileges to all instances though.
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Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋replied to BeAware :fediverse: last edited by
@BeAware @Blaze @fediverse Yeah, so it's not a bad explanation, maybe a bit biased
The key is that the architecture is very different, and there isn't a direct equivalent of instances. There are PDSes, but they do much less than Fedi instances, and they also don't directly talk to (federate with) each other. The data flows from PDSes to relay(s) to AppView(s) and to clients.
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BeAware :fediverse:replied to Kuba Suder • @mackuba.eu on 🦋 last edited by
@mackuba @Blaze @fediverse that's what I said, no? just in more words.️
And yeah, my opinion is mixed in, but I figured that should be obvious. Maybe I should put *opinion* somewhere in there?
Most of it is true, with my opinion in 2 or 3 sentences.