For people who want to leave the US this guide is pretty good.

@skinnylatte @SeaFury and in our case just due to random world events, although our passports are not US anyhow.

@va2lam I feel a bit removed and privileged from here, it feels so far away. I hope people who need to get away can do so. @skinnylatte

@SeaFury @va2lam the reality is america is many countries in one. a trans person in oklahoma is going to have a very hard time. a queer person in california like me would barely find anywhere else an improvement re safety and opportunity. moving to california may be just as hard as moving to NZ for someone from oklahoma in terms of costs.

@skinnylatte oh yeah, I mean for me it should be easy... white bloke from Australia, skilled migrant to the UK... I've been here 18 years and even now with supposed permanent residence the moving target that is the "hostile environment" still throws us curve-balls and times of anxious uncertainty. Yet I have it _easy_ compared to many.

@yvan yeah i think often of the british citizens from Caribbean backgrounds who have suddenly found out they are not citizens anymore

@skinnylatte @SeaFury @va2lam exactly. We're doing emigration-light and getting out of the south. I've traveled extensively through Europe and Asia for work as an electrical engineer and I just don't think it's feasible or worthwhile to try to leave the US at this point (though that may change). Much more worried about family members who aren't middle aged cis white male engineers like myself.

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Elseweb, on a blog I read, there was a guy trying to get his wife into the US. (He's a citizen.) Couldn't deal with the never-ending delays and fee demands.

@PJ_Evans yeah getting a spouse into the U.S. from abroad, even from Canada, has been immensely challenging for a long time and far worse under Trump years and prob worsening

@skinnylatte @PJ_Evans Had a friend go through the process, the wait was something like 2 years, during which time the spouse could not go to the US.

@crzwdjk @PJ_Evans it is far easier to walk across the Darien gap and adjust status after. If one survives. People from ‘bad’ countries can take more than 5-15 even longer years with no definitive answers. Married to citizens!