With almost all 20-somethings I meet in California, I tend to assume that they don’t drink alcohol and I’m often right.
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@Littlebobbytables it’s pretty nice and toasty.
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@skinnylatte anyway, just thinking out loud (you don't have to answer) as to why the zoomer dispreference for alcohol hasn't changed these economics at all.
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@scott going out is hard for lots of age groups! I dunno, something really changed for me as well. I’m much more of a homebody.
I think the owner of Monk’s Kettle said as much in closing his Valencia spot, while attributing it solely to the ‘transcience’ of tech workers in the Mission. Probably partly true, but also just.. going out in general!
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@skinnylatte
When I moved to the Bay from London about 30 years ago, I found it almost impossible to get a proper meal after 9pm. There was plenty of booze and fast food but little else. I seem to remember that, about 12 years ago, there were coffee shops on Valencia open until about 10pm and a few reasonably good places to get food. This seems to have changed more recently.
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@godzero it’s worse now. Food spots close even earlier! The Valencia spots are.. probably no more. Staffing is hard, and service workers can’t live in the city anymore.
Oakland has way more late night food
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@skinnylatte
It must be hard for those businesses.
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Back then, there was a Chinese restaurant in Oakland that stayed open until 2 or 3am. I can't remember its name and don't know if it still opens late, or even if it's there.
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@skinnylatte
not enough of a drinker to grok this stuff, me.The IPA thing.
we used to drink beer. alc content was low (rel), came in pitchers, drink enough & you may well regret it.
Have had IPAs I really liked.
Very well recieved brewery opened up nearby (15min by bicycle), folks love it. Nice, bicycle friendly, famlies, dogs, kids, oldtimers, fire pits, etc.
had one of their IPAs that came in a small glass, w/tip, cost $10, & I poured it out.
I can't afford it.
who has all this $$?
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@godzero new gold medal is still around. Still open till 3
Rudy’s can’t fail closed but some former employees just reopened it
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@skinnylatte
Not familiar with new gold medal but it's cool that it's open lateSo sad about Rudy's! I often used to go to the Hollis St one at midnight (or more) when I was working on projects at American Steel. Good that it's reopened even though it's not late anymore.
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@cpm where I come from, alcohol is $20-40
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@godzero new gold medal is the Oakland Chinatown late night place im thinking you’re talking about
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@skinnylatte @skinnylatte I didn't start socializing (drinking) until very late in my age. In my country, it's the opposite, you start drinking very late from 1am to 5am (coffee shops close from 9 to 10 p.m) and alcohol and good wine is super cheap (4$ a bottle of whiskey i.e.) and with an alcohol culture that i's kind of a good thing. I used to be the weirdo with few friends, the literally 99% of my circle drank into near ethyl coma. Now I drink moderately and I'm fine with that. I think I wasted a little time going against the grain. There has to be room for everyone. Young people drink and smoke less now. But I don't know, life is short, and without some vice it's boring.
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@skinnylatte I'm convinced that this is opening a space in the market for new kinds of spaces for socialising, which is really all bars are. e.g. Games cafes never used to be a thing. It could be wonderful.
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@skinnylatte
We (Ann Arbor, Mich) have a few coffee shops that are in Arab communities and they are hoppin until their 1AM close. Is there a similar ethnic pocket near you? -
@wenge we have Yemeni coffee shops that open till 10 or so, but this coast is a sleepy coast
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@skinnylatte that's interesting, a majority of my friends in their 20s and 30s are really into craft beer and mixed drinks here in the southeast. I like a glass of wine with dinner at home but don't like drinking when I go out, mostly because I'm cheap
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@Jennifer yeah this was true here.. 10 years ago. In the last few years it’s really died down
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@skinnylatte it is *just now* that I realized NA probably meant non-alcoholic instead of north-americas.
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@ellie hehe
