A lot of the #immigration conversion is also people who have never emigrated hearing about visas for the first time.
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A lot of the #immigration conversation is also people who have never emigrated hearing about visas for the first time.
‘You can only work for one employer? You have to leave if you lose your job? You have to have money to get a visa?’
Yes, that’s how visas work. Not saying I agree: it causes a lot of stress, but that is how visas work, generally. Everywhere.
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Adrianna Tanreplied to Adrianna Tan last edited by [email protected]
If your take on learning all of this is, there should be open borders, immigrants should not be treated so poorly, congrats, you’re halfway there!
Now use that energy to advocate for immigrants, to have more rights and conditions. Anyone who wants to keep jobs for ‘natives’ can get fucked
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@skinnylatte there's a regular phenomenon on /r/scotland of an American asking for advice on moving here and learning about visas for the first time part way through the discussion
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@moh_kohn lollllll
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@skinnylatte it is why rare programs like India’s OCI are so valuable (but also so unusual that few countries offer anything similar)
(The OCI - “overseas citizen of India” is a lifelong permanent visa to work or live in India that children and even grandchildren of Indian Citizens including former citizens who have become citizens of most ofher countries can qualify for. It’s a long, complex and not free application process. I will likely get mine this year as a spouse of someone with it)
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@Rycaut yeah! That’s a good one.
Some EU countries offer ancestry-based visas as well
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@skinnylatte it has some unique to India restrictions (you can’t own agricultural land for example - so no buying a farm in India) and there are a few other restrictions (like not working/living in disputed areas on the Pakistan/India border) but it otherwise offers a lot of benefits - in theory it lets you visit Indian national parks and pay Indian citizen rates. Though as a white man I’m never going to count on that.
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@skinnylatte I have a friend who's husband's grandmother is from Malta and they qualify for it. There are other hoops of course.
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@skinnylatte it’s fascinating watching liberals argue against visas linked to employers because they’re basically arguing against working visas in general. Yes, let’s get rid of some more legal pathways to immigrate to the US by feigning the reason is to help (US) workers…disappointing
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@renpanda yup
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David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*)replied to Adrianna Tan last edited by
@skinnylatte @Rycaut Germany and Israel also have such a scheme in their constitutions. Unfortunately, the reason I qualify is the same reason that there is no documentation that I qualify.
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Shannon Clarkreplied to David Chisnall (*Now with 50% more sarcasm!*) last edited by
@david_chisnall @skinnylatte indeed but a key benefit of the OCI which is different from at least Israel’s right of return is that it isn’t tied to full time immigration or living in the country. That is an option and in fact if you do then move to India and live there it has a path to citizenship but otherwise it isn’t a second passport or full citizenship. Which may be a small distinction but matters for anyone in a country that doesn’t permit dual citizenship or holding multiple passports.
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@skinnylatte In the US, we're so accustomed to our passports just being taken everywhere, i think lots of ppl (most of the US doesn't travel internationally but a lot that do as well) don't realize the work that goes into not needing visas for travel.
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Adrianna Tanreplied to Camilo last edited by [email protected]
@cam that’s only for tourist travel. Trying to live somewhere else as an American is also arduous. Less than other passports sometimes, but still work.
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@cam my passport is more powerful than the American one and I’d never assume I can just live somewhere Visa-free!
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@skinnylatte oh ya, that's true, and tbh i think american exceptionalism and western chauvinism do a lot of work to get people to literally never think of leaving the us permanently
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@skinnylatte several decades of being told by the media that people just arrive in a country and get everything handed to them meets cold, hard reality.
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@womble every country believes some version of this!
