Let's discuss how to efficiently promote Lemmy to potential new joiners

Blaze (he/him)

Isn't that what /api/v3/community/hide allows? https://lemmy.dbzer0.com/post/35617930

Blaze (he/him)

Lemmy is a very similar platform to Reddit, it makes sense to target those people.

web search engines

The sad thing is that search engines aren't really at the best at the moment, and with Google and Reddit deal, it's not like they are going to promote alternatives forums that much.

Blaze (he/him)

Difficult to sell a forum to people where most mods on Reddit are going to remove posts mentioning it: https://lemmy.ca/post/37657096

People on specific forums are probably happy where they are and aren't going to switch from their established forums. The strength of Reddit and Lemmy is to be able to have several forums accessible from the main site.

The last place that's left is /r/RedditAlternatives, where you just have people who want, well, a Reddit alternatives, and they usually don't mention their preferences.

But I agree with you to an extend, [email protected] is a good example of focused forum. It's a bit unique on Lemmy unfortunately.

Blaze (he/him)

Once Piefed will get Thunder as well as an iOS app, it will become an alternative. That's the main blocker I have now recommending it. Besides that, it's a quite good Lemmy alternative.

nitrolife

Google and Reddit deal, it's not like they are going to promote alternatives forums that much

There is more than one search engine in the sea.

And that would be an argument if it weren't for a completely broken CEO headers in the web interface. I can't attach a screenshot because I changed the web in my copy to the Photon. In general, there are tons of SEO mistakes. At least according to Yandex.

Blaze (he/him)

There used to be a very nice interactive lemmy server selection site at one point which guided you based on interest/subinterest as self-tagged in , but I can’t remember the domain anymore

Yes, it rings a bell too but don't remember it either

But the lemmy devs are not interested in either doing things like allowing servers to tag themselves

Indeed, that's probably a whole topic altogether. If people want to try working on a better join-lemmy website, that would be great, but it seems like people are already spread too thin.

db0

Not really. That just hides it from /all. Just because not want new users to get dumped into /c/politics, or /c/slop, doesn't mean I want to hide their existence from everyone.

db0

Yes, it rings a bell too but don't remember it either

Ah found it: https://pangora.social/

Sadly it's gone offline. sigh

db0

@[email protected] how come you took it down?

AWildMimicAppears

The issue with the mirroring, at least how it was done, is that it was too much content for not enough users, creating the feeling of a deserted mall. If my comment disappears in a flood of posts, it's no better than when my comment disappears in a flood of comments (like it does on reddit). (Lets forget about the part when one guy started copying entire threads including their users, which was not well thought out)

A way of combining communities into "multilemmys" would be great. I can understand why there's pushback for separating topics from users. A Lemmy instance is not just a basket for specific topics, it's a expression of ideology, and as such ideological arguments about the moderation in your proposed structure are guaranteed. It also would reduce comments with minority viewpoints to a minimum.

A slow and steady promotion of lemmy is the best that can happen - from what i learned in the last year a slow and steady influx of people is preferred by the majority, and not a flood of people that can't be handled by our culture.

I like efficiency too, but some things do get lost when speeding things up too much.

Blaze (he/him)

Ah, indeed. Thanks for the feature request

[email protected]

I’m for the sink or swim mentality. Point them here and if they come up with an excuse to not be here then they probably weren’t going to be a good contributor anyway.

I’m fine with being selective. There is no reason we need 1M+ MAU for the sake of the network, we aren’t trying to turn a profit

freamon

@[email protected] Thunder is written using Flutter / Dart - meaning that it's cross-platform. I've compiled the version for PieFed for windows, linux and macos, so as long as I'm able to get it working for Android, it should also work for iOS. I'll need to be someone else who does though, 'cos my mac is too old, and I don't have an iphone.

Bonus screenshot:

Blaze (he/him)

There is no reason we need 1M+ MAU for the sake of the network, we aren’t trying to turn a profit

There's also no reason a topic as popular as TV shows relies on 3 posters to keep the main community active: [email protected]

We don't need to reach 1M MAU, but having 100k would already be a nice improvement

Blaze (he/him)

Amazing! So what, the Piefed API is already there? I thought that was still ongoing

[email protected]

(Lets forget about the part when one guy started copying entire threads including their users, which was not well thought out)

That was me.

And sorry to disappoint you, I thought about it a lot. Mirroring the entire thread was less about the benefit the (few) users that are here and more about the potential to bring the masses of Reddit users who are stuck there because they (rightfully) claim that they do not have any other place to find their niche content. Mirroring the entire thread was also a way to ensure that we were (a) breaking the monopoly on the conversation and (b) creating an incentive for app developers to create a hybrid Lemmy/Reddit client, that could read from Lemmy and post to both, which would effectively make the transition away from the siloed network completely transparent.

The one thing that I didn't get to execute properly was that I should've completed the two-way bridging before enabling the full mirrors.

A Lemmy instance is not just a basket for specific topics, it’s a expression of ideology...

This is booooooring. So boring. This is the kind of thing that keeps people away. To the absolute majority of people, social networks are about FFF: Friends, Family and Fucking.
It's not an exclusive option. If you are part of 5% of people who want to be in the small, niche group are still free to do so. The other 95% of people who just care about gorging in from the content hose would be perfectly happy by following from the larger topic-based instances.

A slow and steady promotion of lemmy is the best that can happen

This is what the Mastodon crowd would also say. Now they are watching Bluesky grow, bleeding users and resorting to consolation prizes, like "Bluesky might be winning, but they are not really decentralized". Yeah, it is true. It's not "really" decentralized. 99.98% of the world will say "so what?" and continue to use it.

I'm tired of consolation prizes and moral victories. I want the web to be free, and I want it to be free for more than just a tiny niche of ideologues. Slow and steady will not win against Big Tech.

smokebuddy [he/him]

I signed up on lemmy.today and can see and interact with I'm pretty sure everything, I'm not sure what is meant by doesn't federate anything?

Blaze (he/him)

Sorry, typo, I meant "defederate". Lemmy.today indeed shows you everything.

Blaze (he/him)

Friends, Family and Fucking.

Agree on FB, IG, and Twitter, but which of those are on Reddit?

freamon

Oh, yeah. It's still ongoing. You can track the progress at https://codeberg.org/rimu/pyfedi/src/branch/main/app/api/alpha/routes.py if you like. At the bottom of that page, things with a 'Stage 1' are what's left to do.

The remaining stuff is mostly to do with chat / notifications. Once done, a basic app could be released, and then improved to include stuff that's missing (things like uploading an image to post or a comment, and viewing reports)

EDIT: sorry, this was meant to be a reply to another comment. Still getting the hang of NodeBB. Now will this edit work ...