Is there a social/structural notion of entropy?

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] reminds me of the “how can you have morality without god?” question which is like, wait, what? it seems like morality is more important if you believe this is all there is.

d@nny "disc@" mc²

@aud it's extremely common in "AI" discourse because the fundamental assertion of an LLM is that all meaning can be distilled to textual language (this part is not really that bad in itself; it's possible to speak to people purely through text) and furthermore that any mode of statistical text generation is equivalent to the exercise of language (this is marketing and obviously false)

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] ARGH

d@nny "disc@" mc²

@aud similar to people who elide that "AI" art is being used to deskill artists and pretend that it's a debate over the definition of art, rebuttals to the second very specious claim about statistical text simulating language are wilfully misinterpreted as challenges to the first claim about what textual language is able to represent. so a bunch of misguided people who think very highly of their own intelligence and not others' are abusing shannon information to equate the two claims

d@nny "disc@" mc²

@aud so shannon information is used as an argument to say with sufficient state being shoved through the text channel, intelligence arises

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] Jesus, I’ve seen some bad takes but WOW, that is… one hell of an impressively bad argument they’re making. Ugh.

d@nny "disc@" mc²

@aud this is like one of the tenets of TESCREAL iiuc. far divorced from shannon, people always misuse any metric they can get their hands on to push their agenda and this is why the field of statistics was created

d@nny "disc@" mc²

@aud to define intelligence is to imply it can be quantified and simulated this is one reason i have always avoided that thinking

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] and Nevermind how racist that very concept it is; the whole idea is steeped in old ass racist ideology. It’s horseshit.

d@nny "disc@" mc²

@aud and fwiw i find the concern trolling like "oh you don't think this statistical machine is intelligent that means you think other types of people aren't intelligent" incredibly upsetting and frustrating when the people pushing the statistical machines are literal eugenicists not unlike when people say corporations are less chauvinistic than communities without PR departments

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] Jesus Christ, I think I’d pop blood vessel if I saw that argument in the wild. That’s so… just fucking bad faith and wrong.

Lina

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@aud

fucking yikes. I'm more and more convinced that contemporary computational theory of mind is as much inseparable from our history of hyper-individualism, eugenics, racial capitalism, etc. as it is from the history of computer technologies developing alongside neuroscience.