Happy #GlobalSwitchDay
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It's not anonymous.
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If you use your email, it's anonymous but you have to use your email which is almost never anonymous and has your phone number. Also you have to "Create an app-specific password" that delta chat will use and gain full access to your email account, which is way worse than signal or any other application. That's a really stupid idea.
During onboarding of the app you only choose a name and get a random email address
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Did anyone tell the WhatsApp users?
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Fragment it's the first time I hear about Delta chat
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Signal is neither of those
Signal is private in that other people can't intercept your messages, including signal. The signal app is open-source so you can be relatively certain it's not tracking your decrypted messages, unlike closed-source apps like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger or any other private social media.
Signal is not anonymous from an account standpoint, because you need a phone number to sign up, even if you can choose not to display it in your account.
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Wall of text? I provided information requested and then went back and provided more information to clear up a claim I got wrong. Let's not focus on how we get the information, but rather what the information is. If it's not for you personally, just move on.
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Thanks for pointing this out. I'm guessing part of this is why so many messengers either create a new protocol or choose XMPP
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Which applies to 99% of people making Delta Chat not a viable alternative to WhatsApp.
The Fediverse has the same problem that Linux, and Open Source in general, struggles with. The barriers to entry and network effects work against widespread adoption.
Until technology is packaged in a way that makes it dead simple and/or unavoidable, people wonโt make the effort to move en masse.
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Signal is private in that other people can't intercept your messages, including signal. The signal app is open-source so you can be relatively certain it's not tracking your decrypted messages, unlike closed-source apps like WhatsApp or Facebook Messenger or any other private social media.
Signal is not anonymous from an account standpoint, because you need a phone number to sign up, even if you can choose not to display it in your account.
This does nothing to fix the problem.
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Try telling people around and try getting more people around you.
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How is it different
The difference is signal has millions of users and most people have already maybe heard of it.
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@[email protected] currently I try to get my Employer to the fediverse. He would use TikTok to promote the profession with the help of trainees
You want them to shill to fewer people here? That does not sound helpful to either side.
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Doesn't delta use email under the hood, an unsecure protocol?
You're better off using something like Matrix, XMPP, SimpleX or Signal.
Email? So its just encrypted SMS?
Might come down to the metadata, then, like SFTP vs FTPES or GET vs POST.
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I feel like Iโm wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didnโt even take the time to read them yourself.
I'm here trying to learn about Delta Chat and why you think it's a good app given the drawbacks of the approach they've taken. Over the years there's been an incredible amount of messengers pop up, 90 million from Google alone and none have opted for SMTP. There's surely a reason for that. From what I've learned, mostly thanks to Gemini, because holy fuck the Delta Chat website feels like something from 20 years ago and is purposely vague, the solution that Delta has gone for is just to add more layers. Again, something that the world has repeatedly opted against. I'm trying to understand why it's considered a good idea in this case and why so many teams and startups have decided not to use this methodology until now?
Jesus Christ, being curious shouldn't feel like a chore.
It's considered a good idea because it runs over omnipresent, already-existent, distributed infrastructure. In other words, for this particular chat app, you don't even need to create an account. That is at very least an interesting and noteworthy feature.
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They are right. Terminology is important in this discussion.
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Which applies to 99% of people making Delta Chat not a viable alternative to WhatsApp.
The Fediverse has the same problem that Linux, and Open Source in general, struggles with. The barriers to entry and network effects work against widespread adoption.
Until technology is packaged in a way that makes it dead simple and/or unavoidable, people wonโt make the effort to move en masse.
And avoiding the ambiguous, confusing, phrase 'open source', which looks cleverly engineered to scam us out of libre software, control over our own computing.
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Email? So its just encrypted SMS?
Might come down to the metadata, then, like SFTP vs FTPES or GET vs POST.
I guess so. It's encrypted data sent over email from what i understand. Tbf i'd rather trust software built with protocols specifically built for secure and private messaging, and email is known to not be that.
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As I've understood, Delta chat is based on the IMAP protocol and uses the infrastructure of your email provider. Thus, it uses no own server infrastructure, but has the also the downsides of the protocol and some issues with many email providers.
Wikipedia.de - Delta Chat (no English version available yet)
Right, they don't support the advanced login protocols some providers like outlook require. That was a deal breaker, because deltachat was pretty much the last encrypted messaging service which worked in China.
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Email? So its just encrypted SMS?
Might come down to the metadata, then, like SFTP vs FTPES or GET vs POST.
Sms and email are not remotely the same
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The difference is signal has millions of users and most people have already maybe heard of it.
The other difference is that promoting more and more obscure, useless shit ruins your credibility for when you're trying to get them to Lemmy or Signal or Mastodon.
Signal is an absolutely fine product and doesn't need to be decentralized right now.
