Happy #GlobalSwitchDay
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The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat. Signal is not private and SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried
The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat
Maybe. My comment was based off of what i understood from the website
Signal is not private
Could you elaborate on this? haven't heard of this point (is it due to the jurisdiction on a 5 eyes country?)
SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried
It actually does now. It's a very solid choice i'd say
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I asked specifically for relevant issues and you just link general issues with smtp that have no impact on Delta Chat?
SMTP is not secure
Delta Chat sends encrypted messages over it so that’s irrelevant.
SMTP is not efficiency
Your phone can run LLMs, it can send a couple packets. Also this “chattyness” can be seen as an advantage as it is extremely robust and works on any network however inconsistent.
SMTP doesn’t have a way to ensure stuff is delivered
Yeah duh? It’s decentralized. You can’t ensure that the recipient doesn’t take down their server?…
Etc. I feel like I’m wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didn’t even take the time to read them yourself.
As a heads up, the person you're arguing with seems to be using an LLM to generate text.
I would down vote and move on. It's not a real discussion.
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The protocol doesn’t really matter when you send encrypted messages over it like Delta Chat
Maybe. My comment was based off of what i understood from the website
Signal is not private
Could you elaborate on this? haven't heard of this point (is it due to the jurisdiction on a 5 eyes country?)
SimpleX doesn’t have encrypted group chats last time I tried
It actually does now. It's a very solid choice i'd say
You need a phone number to sign up which requires identification in most countries.
Also anyone who know your username can ping where you are at any time: https://gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117#real-world-application-discord
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As a heads up, the person you're arguing with seems to be using an LLM to generate text.
I would down vote and move on. It's not a real discussion.
Downvote for what? What part is wrong?
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As a heads up, the person you're arguing with seems to be using an LLM to generate text.
I would down vote and move on. It's not a real discussion.
Yep. Noticed when they forked the convo.
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You can now also choose to just be assigned a new email account when you start using Delta Chat (only drawback is that you can’t send unencrypted emails with that email account so you can’t use it for anything other than chatting)
Oh, cool. TBH I don't think that's a drawback, just customised to the very specific usage. So you get a [email protected] email or something?
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I asked specifically for relevant issues and you just link general issues with smtp that have no impact on Delta Chat?
SMTP is not secure
Delta Chat sends encrypted messages over it so that’s irrelevant.
SMTP is not efficiency
Your phone can run LLMs, it can send a couple packets. Also this “chattyness” can be seen as an advantage as it is extremely robust and works on any network however inconsistent.
SMTP doesn’t have a way to ensure stuff is delivered
Yeah duh? It’s decentralized. You can’t ensure that the recipient doesn’t take down their server?…
Etc. I feel like I’m wasting my time replying to all these because it seems you didn’t even take the time to read them yourself.
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You cannot make a Signal account without phone number so that’s not true.
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Oh, cool. TBH I don't think that's a drawback, just customised to the very specific usage. So you get a [email protected] email or something?
You can choose any chatmail server just like when you sign up for lemmy you can choose which instance you’re gonna have your account on. And you can also run your own instance and allow people to sign up on there.
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You need a phone number to sign up which requires identification in most countries.
Also anyone who know your username can ping where you are at any time: https://gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117#real-world-application-discord
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Ah so they are just capturing users currently and will have to make return on investment later? That’s a no from me.
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there's also session
Session | Send Messages, Not Metadata. | Private Messenger
Session is a private messenger that aims to remove any chance of metadata collection by routing all messages through an onion routing network.
Session (getsession.org)
unfortunately privacy and usability are inversely related. session is private. I loved it. but I had no one to chat with
I had no idea if any of my contacts were on session or not.
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Ah so they are just capturing users currently and will have to make return on investment later? That’s a no from me.
Yeah it's a shame, though i'm going to wait before switching to it to see if it gets itself into any hot water.
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Imo it's already difficult enough to convince friends and family to use Signal. Delta Chat would be even more difficult to pull off.
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You need a phone number to sign up which requires identification in most countries.
Also anyone who know your username can ping where you are at any time: https://gist.github.com/hackermondev/45a3cdfa52246f1d1201c1e8cdef6117#real-world-application-discord
You are confusing privacy with anonymity. You aren't anonymous because your user is linked to a phone number, but your communications are private due to how their encryption works.
On the location attack: it is a matter of configuration and your location will be as ambiguous as thousands of miles.
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Yea but not in vc debt so without the incentive to sell out users
What VC money has Matrix taken? Genuinely curious
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some issues with many email providers
This turned out to be the deal-breaker for me. GMX kept locking me out of my account because of the DeltaChat messages. They're (of course) full of cyphertext and to email providers this must look a look like spam.
The open-to-abuse nature of email claims yet another victim.
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What VC money has Matrix taken? Genuinely curious
30 million dollars https://element.io/blog/element-raises-30m-as-matrix-explodes/
You can argue that element is not matrix but you’re fooling yourself. Others even have to look at how element implements stuff instead of following the matrix spec
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They are open source and decentralized and indeed there are already a few forks.
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Yup that's why it seems great
though i haven't heard of forks. I think i'll wait a little more till i switch to it, just to see if it gets itself in hot water. It's too early to tell
