I hesitate to add to the atmosphere of dread, but Meta's increasingly unfettered acceleration of the kinds of messages that precede genocides is so alarming.
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Phil Stevens :tinoflag:replied to Erin Kissane last edited by
@kissane What's worse is that they have prior art. FB's refusal to moderate was the principal reason that hatred against Rohingya was amplified and led to genocide.
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I wouldn't have posted this knowing I wouldn't be around to look at replies but I have to get offline now for unexpected reasons, so any responses will be slow/in a few days.
The point was, "Niche alternatives will not prevent societal damage wrought by giant corporate platforms knowingly accelerating the worst things humans do to each other, and alt-network advocates better grapple with that *right now*." The rest is commentary.
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Erin Kissanereplied to Phil Stevens :tinoflag: last edited by
@phil_stevens A reason. But yes: https://erinkissane.com/meta-in-myanmar-full-series
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@kissane I am perplexed by anyone who would think that the fediverse staying niche is a good idea.
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@kissane Gotta make Pixelfed more easily accessible!
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Large Heydon Colliderreplied to Erin Kissane last edited by
@kissane I don't follow. Individual instances are niche. The fediverse, by definition, is not. Not that this fact necessarily helps much on its own!
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they don't want "the normies"
they fear an #eternalseptember
thing is, since this is federation, anyone worried about that can keep their niche communities separate and never encounter "the normies"
and, like erin said, we want "the normies" here
otherwise they get mindwiped by plutocrat agendas on centralized #socialmedia
to do that we have to make the process of getting into the #fediverse dead simple
dead. simple.
even picking a server is a step too high for many
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@[email protected] I personally don’t understand how anything is considered more “ethical” when it’s fine with segregation of normies
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Erin Kissanereplied to Large Heydon Collider last edited by
@heydon Niche as in about a million people and shrinking vs. billions of people. If we want society-level effects, we have to be providing better options for the big groups as well. (Currently Bluesky is getting most of the Meta-leavers, and I wish fedi could offer its real benefits to more of them.)
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The trouble is that it is precisely those "broadly appealing, maximally accessible alternative platforms" that are required for spreading messages that precede, e.g., genocide.
There is simply no way how one could invite merely potential victims, and keep perpetrators and their enablers (who start the fire by telling people to not be "snowflakes", those who "won't be silenced by the woke", etc.) out.
I get why one would desire that, but the Fediverse of today rather resembles a Third Reich basement where the persecuted are hiding. Planting signs everywhere to show the "way to the nearest shelter for potential victims of the Nazis" does not look like a reasonable idea, to me.
The first who try to hide are the most vulnerable. Only then, the party members who once thought they'd be safe if they obeyed and looked away, realize that they'll be next.
And they don't learn. They don't show solidarity. They're entering the shelter, loudly complaining why the shelter does not offer all the amenities of the flat they were just running out of, in panic.
I believe that the existence of many different house rules is an advantage of the Fediverse, not a disadvantage. IFTAS is walking a very thin line here. Being a community where moderators exchange experiences and consent on what they feel they can consent on: fine. Becoming an outsourced moderation center that ultimately mandates what is ok, on every instance: not fine.
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@katzenberger I don't do super-long comments so I will point you here for my thoughts on refuge and broad connection: https://www.wrecka.ge/against-the-dark-forest/
"Becoming an outsourced moderation center that ultimately mandates what is ok, on every instance: not fine." This isn't what IFTAS does or has ever done. People project so much onto a tiny org building out the tooling moderators have requested, and although scrutiny is essential, I think it would be helpful to avoid making up scenarios from whole cloth.
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Thanks, will get back to here after I've read it.
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@katzenberger Warning on that, it is comically long.
