* This is what you get for abandoning Biden.
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* This is what you get for abandoning Biden.
* This is what you get for not standing up to Bibi
* This is what you get because how generally bad Biden was.
* This is what you get for being too left and not hating trans people
* This is what you get for not having a more populist left economic agenda.Some of these takes are terrible. Some are tempting. But, I don't honestly know if this is down do any single obvious 'error.' It seems like something much deeper.
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@futurebird I suspect she could have run with Bernie Sanders’ positions on everything and still lost because at the end of the day a lot of this country (about half of white women and lots of men of most demographics) would rather set themselves on fire than put a black woman in power
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@MisuseCase @futurebird
That’s my primary theory too. I’m sure there’s more, but if we’re boiling it down to one thing, it’s that. -
@MisuseCase @futurebird @inthehands That’s my belief, and it jibes well with the growing picture that turnout was similar to 2020 except a lot of democrats simply didn’t vote this year. “I’m not gonna put a woman in charge” abstainers explains that difference pretty well.
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@donw @MisuseCase @futurebird
I’m sure there’s a lot more to it, but I’m highly skeptical of any analysis that doesn’t start there and ask what’s left to explain. -
@MisuseCase @futurebird @inthehands
This is not actionable, unless you're saying that from now on you will never support a black woman that runs in the Dem primary because you think she can't win.I suspect this might be a rationalization for not critically examining the performance of the Dem Party establishment.
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@Voline @futurebird @inthehands I was really hoping to see a female President in my lifetime. But assuming we ever have meaningful elections again, this country is too shitty to elect a woman to the highest office. Any woman.
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@MisuseCase @futurebird @inthehands
I am less pessimistic. I worked on the Jesse Jackson campaign in 1988 in Michigan. No one thought he could win the state. My cousin Mike came up to me at a wedding around that time and said, “I heard you're working for Jesse Jackson." I told him I was. Mike said, “Not in my lifetime.” And walked away. I knew what he meant to say, “no black president”. (Mike's still alive by the way).I've lived all over the country now: Texas, Ohio, Chicago, the former sundown state of Oregon. The most outspokenly racist people I've ever met were in the Detroit suburbs.
Jackson won the Dem primary that year. And he didn't just win in heavily black areas like Detroit and Flint — he won in Muskegon. There were no black people in Muskegon. He won by talking to the issues of the disaffected people. After that, I'm not ruling out someone from any demographic provided they run the right kind of campaign.
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@Voline @MisuseCase @futurebird
With apologies, I double disagree:Yes, it’s actionable. If we want black women to win, we have to acknowledge that misogyny/misogynoir •is• a barrier and tackle it directly.
Re the rationalization, I feel the same in reverse: lots of blaming of the Dem party (while often deserved; the persuadable center-right voter nationwide number in the dozens) feels like an attempt to avoid the above.
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@Voline @MisuseCase @futurebird
This sounds a lot like the Obama strategy you’re describing. And yes, love him or hate him, Obama had a populist ear that D candidates since have generally lacked. -
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@inthehands In that case what would the appropriate action(s) be?
Let's say some people need to acknowledge misogynoir. Who are they? How do we get them to acknowledge it? What will change once they do? And, more to the point, what could the Harris campaign have done differently? Let alone regular voters.
(FTR though, I'm with @futurebird. It' seems implausible shedding that many Biden '20 votes, in that many places, was mostly one big problem.)
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@darcher @futurebird @Voline @MisuseCase
I mean, “what action do you take to combat systemic marginalization of form X” is both (1) an enormous question and (2) a question that does, in fact, generally have answers. I don’t presume to be an expert. I’m simply asking people to acknowledge the damned problem exists.You said, “What should the Harris campaign have done?” Please note that I said “we,” not “they.”
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Chairman Meow ᓚᘏᗢ 🍉replied to Paul Cantrell last edited by
@inthehands right, that's kind of the point. The people you're asking already acknowledge it. Some may even be taking action to reduce it.
If you want to encourage a broader movement to address misogynoir, it seems helpful to have an explanation for why that hasn't happened already. I mentioned the campaign because that was the original topic. Plus some future Black woman's campaign might benefit.
