I have now deleted both my SongTradr and my DistroKid accounts.
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@benpate I mean yeah I'm not a big fan of the Twitter-style social media for following but I still feel like RSS/Atom are a better model for the sharing of trickles of large amounts of content. I know ActivityPub itself intends to support blog-style things but I haven't seen any ecosystem for that sort of stuff within AP, and everything seems to collapse down to How Mastodon Does It.
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@fluffy Yup. And unfortunately, following Mastodon is our near-future, too
But..
As more services come online, we can change the paradigm. Bandwagon is an example of using Mastodon as a “notifications-only” channel, while keeping richer interactions (like listening to music, making playlists, etc) on the more specialized server.
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@fluffy Awesome!!
The technical details get really nerdy, but I got this issue sorted out a week or two ago. So if you had trouble following in the past, the universal solution “turn it off, then turn it on again” works.
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@benpate ActivityPub just seems so much more complicated than RSS/Atom, especially when interop with Mastodon is the main goal
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@fluffy Yes. So much more complicated.
The big difference is in real time push (WebSub notwithstanding) and the richer vocabulary of “likes“ , “replies”, and “boosts”
There certainly could have been a protocol that delivered those things without ActivityPub’s complexity. But it’s still worth the extra work for those richer features.
I think we just treat Mastodon as the lowest common denominator, guarantee support, then add extra stuff that give richer clients a better experience.
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@benpate IndieWeb adds all those things to plain ol' feeds though, without needing a huge amount of supercomplexity.
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@fluffy Yes. I built out WebSub/WebMention support in Emissary/Bandwagon, too.
But somehow IndieWeb doesn’t seem widely supported. I think it’s because there’s no critical mass for IndieWeb to gather around.
And that’s what’s so interesting to me about ActivityPub. It’s so very imperfect, but Mastodon is a starter mass that could make so many other projects more viable, when they might have failed otherwise.
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@benpate Yeah, I just wish Mastodon had kept with OStatus and then added more on that side and embraced IndieWeb, rather than switching to ActivityPub just because it was slightly more convenient for adding wish-it-were private posts.
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@benpate someday I want to build a pure-indieweb social networking thing, ideally supporting both microblogging and blog-blogging, but I already have a full dance card with my other projects
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@fluffy Yeah, it would be cool. IndieWeb is **so** much easier to work with. I think the future is multi-network.
If I get time (or help) I’d love to add AT protocol to my work.
Imagine one server that cross posts to RSS, ActivityPub, IndieWeb, and AT protocol.
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@benpate yeah I do have plans to eventually add ActivityPub to Publ, because I can do more interesting things with that than what I can get from fed.brid.gy. I have zero interest in ATProto for now though.
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@fluffy yeah. ATP is way too hard to tackle right now. Especially when I need to be reading/writing mp3 metadata instead
Do you have your work on GitHub? I’d love to check it out.
