Literally installed moshidon on my new phone just for this.
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@[email protected] I wonder if the people who talk a lot about "Israeli militarism" also talk a lot about "(North/South) Korean militarism". Or "Singaporean militarism". Or "Burmese militarism". Or "Filipino militarism" (and I know a lot about this one, imagine if a small portion of the time being spent watching the Israeli air force bombing Gaza could be spent too for our Philippine Air Force bombing Lumad schools and communities. We're not even asking much)
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@[email protected] Is talking about the militarism of a country bad at all? Of course not. Should we shame those who until now have not known about the extent of militarism? No, because we've all been like that at one point. What we shouldn't do is virtue signal about how this country's militarism is "exceptionally bad" and that it is the only militarism deserving to be talked about right now. Not everything is about "Western imperialism" or "white supremacy" or shit. If there's anything we should take from here, it's that we should be more skeptical of states more than ever.
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@mima why hello, mr antisemitism buster. Have a cat pic (she tried extorting a pet when I was taking a picture of her).
Do they? No, I don't believe so. I'd even argue Israel's militarism is even exceptionally unbad, and needs to be returned to its pre-Obama levels (i.e. reopening defense industries). But what can you do, when the government isn't regulating, and a part of it (though not a part that has authority over defense policy thankfully) encourages it?
Not everything is about "western imperialism" or "white supremacy"
Thank you! Israel has no "white" - we (not me) do racism by culture, not skin color - the ruling government is Mizrahi, anyway (that means "Arab Jewish migrant", btw) - and our country isn't a colonial western imperialism whatever, it's a country of migrants from genocides and discrimination, that has been, let's call it, 'encouraged' by the British to fight the local population, instead of, well, exist. Of course this is all a very broad simplification, but...
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@mima ...applying western terms to a country whose culture isn't western makes no sense at all. Sure, you can call a lot of things "bad" here, or even "evil", but calling it "colonialism" simply doesn't make a lot of sense - completely different processes are involved. Because by that logic, Palestinian migrants returning to Israel Palestine and winning elections would, too, count as colonialism - people solve this by going "they're returning, not colonizing", but Jews are returning too! And who are you to determine the time it takes for one to lose their ethical rights on land that isn't even related to you (/ref the bible)?
Now, of course, I'm not going Palestinians are bad here - all I'm saying is that there are obvious flaws in the current terms people use to describe the conflict.
This is a bit of a rant, mainly because I am annoyed
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why hello, mr antisemitism buster.
oh god i don't wanna be known just by that, i'm supposed to be an evil spirit :mima_sweat_smile:
Cute catto btw :holding_chen:
And yeah while we're talking about the British, weren't there Zionist factions who like bombed British infrastructure in the mandate? I found it funny that so-called "anti-Zionists" would point at that anti-Western terrorist act as being "proof" that Zionism is terrorism while believing at the same time that the Israeli state is a Western colonial project. Like which is it really? This is just plain doublethink -
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@mima yup there were, and funny it is. Also, Kahanist. Technically Kahanists are Zionists too (reminds me of "black people can sell drugs" /ref 99), but, y'know, they're referring to both with the same name anyway.
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@mima y'know I think I finally found the political opinion about the conflict I'm fine with people muting me for.
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@mima I've also realized something. Israel's arguments are very, very true, except for their conclusions (e.g. "colonialism is the wrong term" vs "Palestinians have no right to the land"), and Hamas' arguments are simply "look people are suffering" which like, fair, but, isn't really justification for Hamas' existence nor goals -- it requires you to fill the blanks with whatever shit you think Hamas might be saying, which means you can't argue with them, as they aren't actually saying anything.
I'd guess this is because Israel was originally a socialist country run by leftists* (and the following rightist governments had to continue using the same justifications) and Hamas is far right.
*They may have had the same approach today's leftists have, but they were actually about as right-winged in policy as today's right.
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@mima yah I'm on a strike today pours through head to find random, potentially controversial thoughts
Jk glad we agree.
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@mima this also explains why pro Palestinian terrorism organizations like to use the words "western imperialism". They, too, dislike western terms being forced where they don't work (not that I care about terrorism organizations).
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@mima (after all, why invent a new word for "colonialism")
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@mima and also confirms why most pro Palestinian arguments sound like stuff a republican pulled out of where the sun doesn't shine -- calling immigration and foreign "divide and conquer" policy colonialism.
Actually, republicans are saying that about immigration to the USA.
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@[email protected] The Labor Zionist era of Israel is an interesting topic too. I feel like it would be great if some alt-history guy would explore a scenario where the USSR supported the Israelis (or at least still tried to balance relations) instead of being opportunistic and supporting the Arab states instead. It's not even very far-fetched; there was a time when the US supported the Arab states more (I think that was during Eisenhower) and the Soviets were more balancing in its diplomatic relations in the Middle East. This aspect is criminally underexplored.
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@mima (not that the latest pro Israeli arguments are any better - that is, not that they exist. The Israeli government is so bad they actually closed the foreign public opinion ministry and then wondered why everyone hates them)
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@[email protected] Oh, like the "Palestine is Arab" shit? Yeah it sounds very right-wing lol. Like imagine saying "America is white" or "Britain is white"
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@mima it is indeed. It really wasn't far fetched - it was actually true, for a time. The Arab states were allied with the British, who then forced it to stop its divide and conquer policy in favour of supporting Palestine - as the divide part has already been implemented - the USA wasn't the global power it later became yet - France didn't yet exist properly - and the USSR was Israel's closest ally. The Independence War was fought with Soviet weaponry from WW2.
Though, I'd blame this war on the USA alone. Specifically, Obama. I agree with him on almost every topic - requiring American weapon grants to be manufactured in America makes a lot of sense - but it had unfortunate effects on Israel itself (defense industries going defunct). Plus, Netanjahu's and Kahana's American sponsors.
But the situation itself isn't the USA's fault. It's the British' divide and conquer.
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@mima no, the "immigrants bad" shit.
But yeah that too
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@mima note, a soviet Israel would never actually happen; the USSR is famously antitheistic, and Israel is a theocracy. It would only last a couple years.
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@[email protected] Ahh yeah how I did I not think that first lol. But indeed the shit talking of immigrants and equating them to "colonizers" is getting annoying too. Even more annoying when it's fucking white people (whose ancestors were technically immigrants and were more colonial) saying it with a straight face. Like wow, maybe try cleaning up your shit first before lecturing us on what colonialism is? :parsee_angy:
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@mima ikr, it's so annoying having to talk with an American (about the conflict). They're all "colonialism! Colonialism!". Meanwhile, most Israelis (counting Palestinians) are Arabs, but most Americans aren't native Americans.
This situation is of a government taken hostage, not of colonialism; Sorry for the brutality here, but if the holocaust proved anything, is that a state founded by German migrants won't need 80 years to execute a genocide. What's going on in Gaza rn is new, and yes, it's extremely bad, and sad, but it's not "the latest step of an 80 years genocide", and it's incredibly annoying watching them pretend Israel was evil all along.
(to any rando reading this: I'm a German Israeli Jew. If anyone can say this, it's me)