A #SmartHome should be completely independent of any internet connection.

Diogo Constantino

@jwildeboer Should be able to if the user wants it.

Remember that there are good open public API's to retrieve information that can be useful for a smart home, like weather predictions, public services alerts, and others not operated by organizations who want to exploit users.

The Internet is not something that is necessarily evil.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

One of the devices that regularly communicates via the internet is my fileserver, as it runs on RHEL (Red Hat Enterprise Linux) and gets updates that way. But it would happily run without getting all updates that way, so It's kinda OK

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@DiogoConstantino A "read-only" approach to internet connections are OK, agreed. But devices that simply stop working when there is no internet connection are not a good thing, IMHO.

Diogo Constantino

@jwildeboer That's a different take, and I agree and practice it.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@DiogoConstantino I have updated my toot to clarify. Thx for your intervention!

oldguycrusty

@jwildeboer

Yes. Serious question: How do I do this with new cars. I need a newer car. My 34 y/o Acura is showing its age.

There are a lot of interesting new cars, EV, Hybrids, etc.

BUT I am an older InfoSec guy.

I want zero connectivity. No GPS, no Bluetooth, no RF connectivity of any sort. No "Keyless" entry.

I have a smart phone. It has all the connectivity I desire or need.

I understand that an EV needs firmware, but that can updated manually/locally.

Thoughts?

goetz 🚲

@jwildeboer
As #IPv6 GUA addresses are assigned dynamically by all German ISPs, as soon as the Internet connection goes down, the #Smarthome is only functional until the end of the preferred_lifetime. ULA addressing helps a bit but brings other challenges.

goetz 🚲

@oldguycrusty
No new car for you. Sorry.
New EU cars all have mandatory cell phone connection.

Same with PV battery storage. Only very few require no Internet connection.

@jwildeboer

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@goetz Yep. One of the unexpected side effects of IPv6. Even less control over your home network. This was surely just a little oopsie

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@goetz I don’t use a car and even if I did, I wouldn’t park it in my livingroom, so I don’t consider it as part of my smarthome. @oldguycrusty

Benjamin

@goetz @jwildeboer Probably not MUCH of an issue as ESPs and Tuya devices (which from what I've seen account for a big chunk of smarthome devices) only support IPv4 anyway.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

See also: https://social.wildeboer.net/@jwildeboer/113335361113440634

acm

@jwildeboer even easier: no smart home devices at all!

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@acm_redfox So no internet at home? Sure. Possible. But not very common.

LovesTha🥧

@jwildeboer @acm_redfox that isn't the same thing. We don't call a PC smart because it has a WiFi card.

Jan Wildeboer 😷:krulorange:

@LovesTha The premise of my toot was a #Smarthome with devices that use the internet. The reply was to have no connected devices at all. Which is not the same, obviously. So your reply makes even less sense, IMHO, and moves the discussion far away from the point I tried to make. @acm_redfox

goetz 🚲

@blindcoder
Esps with #esphome work fine with #IPv6 unfortunately they still need Dual stack.
What Jan says for no need for the Internet, I have the requirement that smart home devices need to work with #ipv6only to be considered worthy to be integrated.

@jwildeboer

goetz 🚲

@jwildeboer That's also the reason why #AVM made to ULA addresses default in the LAN in the latest software update of #FritzBox

Benjamin

@goetz @jwildeboer interesting. I mostly have tasmota flashed and from what I saw they claimed that the WiFi blob for the esp devises doesn't do v6.
Esphome seemed too complex for me yet so I haven't looked into that yet.

goetz 🚲

@blindcoder
You need to compile #IPv6 into the 8266 manually. The online tasmota compiler does not allow for this.
@jwildeboer