"To understand JD Vance, you need to meet the 'TheoBros.' These extremely online young Christian men want to end the 19th Amendment, restore public flogging, and make America white again. ...
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Kierkegaanks regretfully last edited by
@Kierkegaanks No, he didn't.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Michael Busch last edited by
@michael_w_busch @inthehands Yes, I agree. But when one considers the enormous unelected and for-life power that a handful of hard-right Catholic operatives employ on the highest court of the land, one begins to see the appeal — for those who want ruthless power to coerce the majority in the name of their theocratic aspirations.
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George Snorewellreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
Exactly as you say. Like his sister, he draws direct inspiration from apartheid in South Africa.It astonished me that, when DeVos was Ed Sec, she was up-front about her ideological affinity for Abraham Kuyper, particularly Pillarisation.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Michael Busch last edited by
@michael_w_busch @bartvdpoel Yes, thanks for noting that — though I'd say that as a body, the bishops have done far too little in the past decade or two to catechize their flock about what Catholic magisterial teaching has to say regarding the treatment of immigrants. If they'd been doing their pastoral job, over half of white Catholics wouldn't be telling pollsters they intend to vote for Trump in 2024 — as they did in 2020 and 2016.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Christo. London last edited by
@Christo_459 I agree.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to George Snorewell last edited by
@DoesntExist Yes, an excellent point, especially considering that their cultural and religious (pre-Catholicism for Prince) roots lie in the Dutch Calvinism of Michigan Reformed church folks.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Andrew last edited by
@serendip1959 So it would appear. Fundametalist religious movements globally are definitely in deep reaction to the rise of women's rights in the 20th and 21st century, and along with women's rights, LGBTQ rights.
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George Snorewellreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
Having known a few Calvinists who "converted" to Catholicism, I hypothesize they do so as some sort of internecine mission -- kind of "make Catholicism Calvinist" counter-counter-reformation spy stuff.Ask any of these "converts" what they think of the Pope, and you'll get heresies.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Michael last edited by
@mykl @lisamelton Yes, indeed.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to benny last edited by
@benny I suspect that stringent argumentation is not high on the list of these ideologically energized true-believing men.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to troy_frizzell last edited by
@troy_frizzell No, not weird and creepy in the least, is it? And also very dangerous.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Citoyen européen Ray Hindle ✔️ last edited by
@rayhindle Thank you. Exactly right.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Jon Sterling last edited by
@jonmsterling The hardline Calvinism these men are pushing intersects very nicely and easily with the kind of right-wing theocratic Catholicism Vance now promotes. That's why these disparate groups have made common cause politically. They share theocratic objectives that have a lot to do with putting women back in their "place" and invisibilizing and tormenting LGBTQ people.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to SufferForMe 🆘 last edited by
@sufferforme For sure.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to br00t4c last edited by
@br00t4c Yep.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to benny last edited by
@benny You're welcome.
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Jon Sterlingreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy They definitely have common cause, but it is very weird to point to calvinists when the most energetic growing faction in this coalition has been the traditionalist catholics.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to George Snorewell last edited by
@DoesntExist Yes, that makes sense to me. Also, I'd note that the kind of hard-right Calvinism the TheoBros are promoting is making inroads now in a lot of other religious bodies. It's very much alive and well in leading circles of the Southern Baptist Convention right now, for instance.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Jon Sterling last edited by
@jonmsterling "The most energetic growing faction in this coalition has been the traditionalist catholics":
I'm not sure precisely what coalition you're referencing here. As the linked articles say very clearly, the TheoBros promoting JD Vance are hardline Calvinists.
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George Snorewellreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
Surely someone does some scholarship on this kind of "inside job" proselytizing.