"To understand JD Vance, you need to meet the 'TheoBros.' These extremely online young Christian men want to end the 19th Amendment, restore public flogging, and make America white again. ...
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Michael last edited by
@mykl @lisamelton Yes, indeed.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to benny last edited by
@benny I suspect that stringent argumentation is not high on the list of these ideologically energized true-believing men.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to troy_frizzell last edited by
@troy_frizzell No, not weird and creepy in the least, is it? And also very dangerous.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Citoyen européen Ray Hindle ✔️ last edited by
@rayhindle Thank you. Exactly right.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Jon Sterling last edited by
@jonmsterling The hardline Calvinism these men are pushing intersects very nicely and easily with the kind of right-wing theocratic Catholicism Vance now promotes. That's why these disparate groups have made common cause politically. They share theocratic objectives that have a lot to do with putting women back in their "place" and invisibilizing and tormenting LGBTQ people.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to SufferForMe 🆘 last edited by
@sufferforme For sure.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to br00t4c last edited by
@br00t4c Yep.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to benny last edited by
@benny You're welcome.
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Jon Sterlingreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy They definitely have common cause, but it is very weird to point to calvinists when the most energetic growing faction in this coalition has been the traditionalist catholics.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to George Snorewell last edited by
@DoesntExist Yes, that makes sense to me. Also, I'd note that the kind of hard-right Calvinism the TheoBros are promoting is making inroads now in a lot of other religious bodies. It's very much alive and well in leading circles of the Southern Baptist Convention right now, for instance.
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to Jon Sterling last edited by
@jonmsterling "The most energetic growing faction in this coalition has been the traditionalist catholics":
I'm not sure precisely what coalition you're referencing here. As the linked articles say very clearly, the TheoBros promoting JD Vance are hardline Calvinists.
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George Snorewellreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to George Snorewell last edited by
@DoesntExist There's been a lot of good scholarship on it by people like Kristin Kobes Du Mez, Julie Ingersoll, Sarah Posner, Beth Moore, and, earlier and foundational, Jeff Sharlet — lots of others whose names aren't popping into my aging brain right now.
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George Snorewellreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy
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William Lindsey :toad:replied to George Snorewell last edited by
@DoesntExist It's very top-of-the-head. Kristin Kobes Du Mez comes to mind right away because she is deeply critical of the ideology of these folks, while remaining rooted in Calvinism herself, with a father who taught many years at Calvin College.
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Andrewreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy the clue of course being fundamentalist. They follow only the word of whatever book they believe in. Common to all religions are intolerance of nonconformity and heresy although burning at the stake has fallen out of fashion in Christian circles.
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Paul Cantrellreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by [email protected]
@wdlindsy @michael_w_busch Those who know me know my broken record that “religion” is a red herring, and the things to watch out for are fundamentalism, authoritarianism, and abuse, all of which readily slip in and out of religious clothing — but rarely leave a person. (Dawkins, for example, to my mind, went from religious to anti-religious but never stopped being a fundamentalist.)
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@inthehands @wdlindsy I learn from @rebeccawatson that Richard Dawkins is calling himself a "cultural Christian" now.
As a pretext for sexism, racism, and anti-Muslim bigotry.
The authoritarian pattern is worldwide.
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Michael Buschreplied to William Lindsey :toad: last edited by
@wdlindsy @bartvdpoel I recall the divide right down the middle of some of the Catholic churches I once attended.
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@michael_w_busch @wdlindsy @rebeccawatson
Oh gross. I hadn’t heard that.