Look, I’m going to be completely honest.
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Sean Tilleyreplied to Digital Mark λ ☕️ 🕹 🎃 last edited by
@mdhughes I get that, but in relation to what I’m talking about, it is a secondary concern. Not to say that it isn’t a problem, but we have yet to see the shape of things to come. Maybe in a few years, writing a Meta-conpliant Fediverse server will be as difficult as building a rendering engine or a Web browser. Then again, maybe the community will collectively reject that kind of bullshit. Time will tell.
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@deadsuperhero People forget this, and it's worth remembering. He has nothing to do with the Fediverse's success. He abandoned it until it became worthwhile.
> While the seeds of his efforts have bore much fruit today, there was a period between 2013 to 2019 where Evan wasn’t really present on any part of the Fediverse. It wasn’t until the later stage of Mastodon’s success that he rejoined the network. -
@gabek I mean, I don’t exactly blame him, and can even understand to some degree. I don’t think it’s fair to say that he abandoned it until it got popular again, so much as maybe he needed to take a break and focus on his personal life. I can respect that.
The main driver for this network’s success, beyond hoardes of people migrating over from places they can no longer tolerate, is people building cool things. That’s not just limited to software, either, but communities, mutual interests, and mutual aid. What made the Fediverse great 15 years ago is what makes it good today. We just have more polished widgets, and can do more things now.
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@deadsuperhero
It's great that you've had the courage to raise this. It's now down to people to respectfully debate. The biggest mistake would be for people to think this is about taking sides; it isn't. This is about shaping the future. -
@gruff Thank you, this is a refreshing take!
It’s absolutely not about sides, but instead: here’s what I think is a problem and how I personally feel about it. If we agree that it is a problem, what options do we have to change things?
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I think he is absolutely right to do it. No one likes politicians, but someone *has* to do the politicking, and I'm glad that it's someone with actual Skin In The Game like him.
Much like we need pragmatists, we need purists to keep us in check and remind us *why* we need to be zealous about certain principles, and these principles are not observed by Bluesky or Nostr.
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Raphael Lullisreplied to Raphael Lullis last edited by
Nostr is the least bad of the two, but it is a victim of the Libertarian mistake: it puts "Freedom" as the highest principle, but does it only for "freedom to" and leaves "freedom from" on the curb.
Bluesky is from the very beginning looking for ways to become a middleman in the flow of information. Even if we believe that the individuals working there have more noble aspirations, as soon as their investors come knocking they will be forced to let go of their ideals.
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@deadsuperhero Hm, I like "Womp Triangle".
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@deadsuperhero I really like your style of writing
"Except, y’know, the W3C isn’t exactly a left-anarchist’s paradise, where all of the members are tenured staff singing kumbaya, as they ethically hand-craft technology from reclaimed code. Corporations have a massive presence in the W3C, and the SocialWG is no different."
I guess this is quite the essence. We all hope and wish everything is a "left-anarchist's paradise", but that's just not the reality.
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@sakurasubnet Aww, thank you! ^_^
I always feel a bit weird about my writing, but it’s my main way of communicating with the world.