Actually, no, you know what?

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] ohhhhhh do I ever have big stompy boots.

Captain Superfluous

@aud

Second, unless you're a recent graduate, they could be asking about a class you took 20, 40, etc, years ago.

Only young people need apply. Olds are not welcome.

Oops - I said the quiet part out loud again.

Captain Superfluous

@aud

bordering on being homeless and was neglected, underfed, underclothed, and emotionally manipulated, did not graduate high school.

Ah, see - there's the problem. You didn't choose to be born into wealth and stability. You foolishly chose to have trauma and abuse and poverty instead.

I should have said before, only young people from financially/relationally stable backgrounds need apply.

No one else matters or could possibly be good at this job.

Ben Berry

@aud wait until you get to the test that's definitely not a dyslexia test, but also not *not* a dyslexia test.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] oooooooooh I DID. And you know what I did? I fucking passed it ANYWAY despite almost certainly being dyslexic. Those fuckers.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] you know what's funny about growing up Mormon? Is they believe that families specifically chose to be together before everyone was born, and so my mom would routinely tell us that we had picked this so we better be okay with it or whatever. haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa

yes, it's me, liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

how is that not red flag for age discrimination, just for starters. the job description is for someone with more than 10-15 years in the field and they expect the applicant to have all that information about their high school years?

@aud

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] which was half luck on my part anyway

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] Right? And Canonical has been doing this for years. yeaaaaaars. And yet they keep doing it and everyone pretends this is fine?

yes, it's me, liza 🇵🇷 🦛 🦦

@aud it is fucked up and bullshit. i hate it. everything you wrote is absolutely right. they must not hire outside of their own cliques and this is just for show; to comply with the labor department.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] The fact that they later did indeed ask for my non-existent transcripts from over 20 years ago. Like. You just spent two months evaluating me. And now you need a piece of paper from 20 years ago to "seal the deal"... which oooooooops we didn't up sealing actually here's a vague "we're looking for someone with passion"?

Ben Berry

@aud ahaha, wonderful! (I retracted my application when I saw that test, and told them exactly why)

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] GOOD FOR YOU. You saved yourself another month or two of bullshit, I guarantee that. It just gets worse from there.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] right? Except I have no idea how this even vaguely... I know I'm not a lawyer, but my god, how do they justify asking these questions? In what world where age discrimination is illegal can they ask for documents that specifically state your age that might well be anywhere from 1 to 70 fucking plus years old? There's no way they're relevant even a couple years out of high school. Oh, yes actually! I went to HPC high school where we packaged python software for HPC environments. Good question!

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] motherfuckers I have passion believe me. That is something I do not lack.

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] Just in case anyone thinks I'm not telling the truth. lmao at the use of "objective". Except I'm not laughing at all.

[email protected]

@[email protected]

Wait: they DQed you for highschool things even though you have college degrees and years of relevant experience?

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] Ah, no, technically the reason they gave was my lack of experience in, lessee.... "... and your lack of exposure to Django, relational databases, and expertise in Python and Golang made it not a match for my teams at this time"

The "lack of expertise in Python" is especially bullshit because I passed their technical test, in Python, and said straight up I hadn't worked in Python in two years (true) and so some of the syntax was a little C-ish. My implementation was correct, but I hadn't bothered to lint it so apparently that's a "lack of exposure" (despite 10 years of doing parallel computing in Python as well as integrating CPython into other languages and exposing C style arrays as numpy arrays and writing Cython and)

Soo. And the Django thing, they were ripping it out at the time.

David Nash

@aud My high school graduation year was 1988. I have never included it on any resume/cover letter since sometime in my undergraduate college years.

I’m not sure the school *has* full transcripts of anything any more from then, and even then, precisely zero classes had any direct bearing on current state of the art CS/SWE roles. (I pretty much sleepwalked through the one CS-type class because it largely covered stuff I was doing by dinking around with computers at home. That itself was a bit of privilege for the time, but that’s a rant for another day….)

Asta [AMP]

@[email protected] ... but, yes, I suspect they either just didn't like me and/or my age and/or my gender, or they didn't like the fact that I pushed back on the high school thing, or... any of the above.