Should there be a single, secular, multi-ethnic state in Israel/Palestine, with equal rights for all?
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@evan So how do you see the rights of the colonized people being realized in a state that isn't "a single, secular, multi-ethnic state"?
The legitimacy of Israel isn't a question related to European anti-semitism. It's related to European settler-colonialism.
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John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️replied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@evan No, a Jewish state is not necessary. I will not concede that point. That propaganda was developed by antisemitic Christians in the aftermath of the protestant reformation. This is why Zionism as a concept is inherently antisemitic.
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@thurisaz I don't know.
I think the Oslo concept for a two-state solution, with one sub-sovereign state, as untenable long term.
I'd prefer a binational state with guaranteed rights for the different nations enshrined in law, but I don't know if that's sufficient to give the Jewish people the protection they need.
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@evan one democratic state would be controlled by the larger population, the Palestinians, so I thought that a two-state solution would be more popular.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️ last edited by
@johnmark until we have better protection for Jewish people in the USA and Canada, I can't agree. Anti-Semitism is real and an existential danger to Jewish people in the Diaspora. Zionism may be an imperfect solution but it is the one that currently exists.
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@mattlehrer it's almost a demographic tie right now; about 7m Jewish Israelis and 7m Palestinians in East Jerusalem, Gaza, West Bank and Israel. The right of return for Palestinians in the Diaspora (about 5-15M) might take that out of balance, I agree.
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Stefan Monnierreplied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@evan Does it really? Is there really a connection between the two? Does the existence of Israel even make Jews safer elsewhere?
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Stefan Monnier last edited by
@monnier good question! I don't know if there is a way to tell.
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@evan I don't have an opinion here but reading the couple a dozen replygoy comments was hilarious. Thanks for the chuckle.
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I aspire to your ability to react to those kind of posts with a chuckle rather than an aneurysm.
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John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️replied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@evan I don't know of any solutions given current conditions. You're right that antisemitism is very real and presents a danger to many. But I struggle with tolerating a system that necessitates the expulsion and systematic oppression of millions of people, especially given the non-jewish origins of said system. I don't see how that serves anyone's interests.
Israel in its current form cannot continue without doubling down on fascist authoritarianism. It will get worse before it gets better.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️ last edited by
@johnmark I think we're more in agreement than you realize. Thanks for responding.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to Bungle ✡️ באנגל last edited by
@bungle @dukepaaron "replygoys" is funny.
Just wondering: how do you know there weren't any Palestinians responding?
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@dukepaaron you don't have *any* opinion on this topic?
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@mpjgregoire @jeremy_pm Yes, many of the remaining Palestinian Christians are in the diaspora.
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@evan Yes, that's what I thought. But also I presume the diaspora would have lower fertility rates than the roughly 3.5 per woman in Palestine, and thus for the Christian proportion to be declining overall.
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John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️replied to Evan Prodromou last edited by
@evan No worries. Honestly, it's a depressing topic when I think of the most likely outcomes.
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Evan Prodromoureplied to John Mark :blobcatverified: ☑️ last edited by
@johnmark yes, I think the most likely outcome is annexation followed by even more apartheid and forced expulsion. I hope we as a world community can do better.