Fascists love Star Wars. Even though the whole point of Star Wars is that fascists suck, and that the universe would be better without them.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon: last edited by
@independentpen @orange_lux @SallyStrange @billiglarper @mekkaokereke @ricci
This is something that applies to most conflicts, especially ones based on arbitrary in-groups and out-groups.We don't necessarily need to go deep into the empathy here, but we do need to make it clear that our issue with bigots is nothing more than the fact that they are bigots. If they want to stop being bigots, the conflict ends then and there, because that's the entire point driving the conflict.
And we do need to make it clear that they will face consequences if they don't walk away. It may be people saying mean things about them on social media, or it may be having their brother killed because he followed in their footsteps, or it may be sitting at their 89th birthday, looking back on 50 years of guilt because they acted on it.
We can't walk away from the conflict, because we aren't instigating it. We need to make it clear that they stand to lose if they stay, but lose nothing if they walk away.
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Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Sally Strange last edited by
@SallyStrange @independentpen @orange_lux @billiglarper
I agree, it would have been better if there were less scenes of black people engaging in the violence and more scenes of them just doing racist crimes to black people who were minding their own business, or if he met the guy who killed his father in prison and it turned out he was white and he just assumed he was black because he was a racist... Because people who see a black person committing a crime and are able to make the jump to all black people being criminals must already have a belief in racial stereotyping in their head. -
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@Raccoon @independentpen @orange_lux @billiglarper goddamn.
1) untag the OP
2) this point is so not debatable. Racist tropes was the topic. You're not even talking about that. Like just stop. Start a new thread if you must pontificate. -
Raccoon at TechHub :mastodon:replied to Sally Strange last edited by
@SallyStrange
Yeah I'm not sure where I was going with that, I think I lost my train of thought somewhere in there... Gonna move on... -
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@independentpen @orange_lux @SallyStrange @billiglarper @mekkaokereke @ricci
Stepping back, I wanted to say, think this is a good summary of the takeaway from this conversation. American History X does a good job of the first one, but a terrible job of the second, and thus fails at it's anti-Nazi objective.We can still look at it through a lot of lenses, as with any work of art, but through that one, it misses a key point: Nazi's don't care that they're the bad guys, they like feeling like cool villains.
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fanf42replied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox @omegaprobe @brunogirin @michael_w_busch @mekkaokereke I understand that and I fear I'm starting to feel that drag with my modestly successful tiny company. I'm not sure how / what reality checks can be put in place and made binding (it's yet another story to accept to see the result of checks and remove oneself from power)
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to fanf42 last edited by
@fanf42 @omegaprobe @brunogirin @michael_w_busch @mekkaokereke That's a pretty good question. I personally like to think I would convert my company to a cooperative if I ever was successful (unfortunately I'm stuck in german welfare, would I move even an inch I'd be in huge trouble). Of course that's really idealistic.
I guess it's a lot of small things. Not isolating yourself from common people, using public transport, transparent wages for you and your employees everyone can see⦠such things.
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@fanf42 @Natanox @brunogirin @michael_w_busch @mekkaokereke I don't think this applies to small companies, where you actually see the face of your employees and co-workers on a day to day basis, and they can stop you and talk to you like a normal person.
There has to be certain level of disassociation for the sociopathic impulses to take over.
Check this: https://forum.mongoosepublishing.com/threads/state-of-the-mongoose-2022.123719/
That's a healthily sized company, being run in a healthy way.
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mekka okereke :verified:replied to Omega last edited by
@omegaprobe @fanf42 @Natanox @brunogirin @michael_w_busch
Nah. Small companies are worse.
Most Jan 6 participants, were small business owners.
You don't see large corporation CEOs flying to Jan 6 to act out*.
And money and power don't corrupt. That's an excuse that people use to excuse sociopathic behavior. Mackenzie Scott hasn't suddenly become a sociopath. We have evidence of "self-made" billionaire sociopaths being sociopaths before they were billionaires.
(*Other than my pillow guy).
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to mekka okereke :verified: last edited by [email protected]
@mekkaokereke @omegaprobe @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch I agree, there ain't necessarily a connection between company size and character / sociopathy.
I think it's more a systemic issue of the system itself. People without a moral compass or ethical character can and will do unfathomable acts of selfishness which are potentially rewarded with huge financially success while others look for more sane but less "successful routes".
And of course then there's systemic institutional racism.
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Omegareplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox @mekkaokereke @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch
"there ain't necessarily a connection between company size and character / sociopathy."
But there is. It's not a 1 to 1 connection, it's a very marked correlation.
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to Omega last edited by [email protected]
@omegaprobe @mekkaokereke @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch Please provide evidence for the correlation and not just that billionaires are way louder and more annoying given their reach.
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Omegareplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox @mekkaokereke @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch Please, read back, you're misrepresenting what I wrote.
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Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈreplied to Omega last edited by
@omegaprobe @mekkaokereke @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch My bad, fixed.
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Omegareplied to Natasha Nox πΊπ¦π΅πΈ last edited by
@Natanox @mekkaokereke @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch I'll challenge you to find a single S&P 500 company that doesn't engage in sketchy practices like monopoly practices, and/or disregard public health and the environment.
Now, look around your neighborhood, and, if there are any left, how many of small local businesses would you say are engaging in those kinds of practices.
Size creates both power over, and distance from regular folks. The perfect ecosystem to breed sociopathy.
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mekka okereke :verified:replied to Omega last edited by
@omegaprobe @Natanox @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch
1) Small businesses do more wage theft than big businesses. Wage theft disproportionately affects Black people.
2) Small businesses are more likely to have explicitly racist policies than big businesses. I've experienced more racism from small businesses than big businesses.
3) Almost all organized crime, is small business owners. Seriously, all of it. Like, every mafia. Extortion. Kidnapping. Arson. Murder.
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mekka okereke :verified:replied to mekka okereke :verified: last edited by
@omegaprobe @Natanox @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch
This isn't some big business bootlicking. I'm not defending megacorps. I'm just popping the fantasy balloon of "small business means good."
Good means good. Bad means bad. There are terrible people everywhere.
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Omegareplied to mekka okereke :verified: last edited by
@mekkaokereke @Natanox @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch I haven't said that being a small business owner makes you immediately good. I've said, and I maintain, that the kind of power that comes with owning a small business is not the kind of power that will corrupt you to your core.
And while small businesses can definitely cause a lot of localized damage, the kind of planetary scale destruction big businesses engage and protect on a regular basis is simply beyond their reach.
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mekka okereke :verified:replied to Omega last edited by
@omegaprobe @Natanox @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch
1) Yes, the kind of power of owning a small business gives you, can corrupt you to the core. Do you know anyone that has ever owned a strip club? Owned a restaurant? Do you know anyone that's ever worked as a dancer, or in food service? Do you know anyone that's ever had their wages stolen?
2) 100 restaurants serving 1000 diners a day, is 100,000 diners a day. 1 mega chain serving 100,000 a day, often does *less* environmental impact
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mekka okereke :verified:replied to mekka okereke :verified: last edited by
@omegaprobe @Natanox @fanf42 @brunogirin @michael_w_busch
And in terms of environmental destruction, I don't think you're hearing me that most organized crime is owned by small business owners. One of the most profitable rackets, is environmental destruction. Eg:
1) Take contract to safely dispose of something. Then just dump it.
2) Forge documents saying that something that was not produced sustainably, totally was produced sustainably.
3) Recycle. Leave heavy metal everywhere.