Damn it, #Mastodon subculture has a crap reputation and it’s honestly mostly deserved.
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@juergen_hubert Thank you for doing so. It’s frustrating as people have many valid reasons and some of those reasons are outside of Mastodon. It’s really inconsiderate that people can’t even see that and get all up in arms and super judgmental about it.
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@renchap I want to say I appreciate you reaching out. You could’ve simply continued to scroll and ignore my posts. I do want to be clear that I do not lay this all at the feet of the Mastodon software project but I do believe your team has a significant role to place as I would anyone that has considerable influence. I too would be more the happy to discuss this on a call. I appreciate your gesture and offer.
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@damon You are postulating the same radicalism that you are supposedly criticising. Wouldn't you like to come up with Nazi comparisons immediately? Good bye.
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@tunda That would be you. Look up those that looked the other way when Jews were being rounded up. Read about MLK views on the white liberal. Your stance is incredibly harmful and flawed. I’m not postulating any radicalism, but I guess you’d view that way because your little safe space is being challenged. You contribute nothing positively to this discussion and thanks for making yourself known so people especially minorities can steer clear of you and those like you.
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@damon I’m on both platforms. Masto IS confusing. The obsession with CWs on even bring shit like photos of food is stupid.
But I also find Bluesky to be basically OG Twitter, the good and the bad. I’ve encountered so many toxic people over there. Social platforms are people, and there’s shit people everywhere. So many of them.
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@damon the way I handle the Fediverse is that I just assume everyone is autistic as hell. It explains everything and lets me cut people some slack.
Also, I have an industrial strength filtered words list and an itchy mute finger.
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@cferdinandi It’s interesting you say that about Bluesky as I’ve been there largely since the beginning, I think I was like the 3700 user, that wasn’t my experience. I’ve had a significantly tougher experience on fedi and seen some of the nastiest things I’ve ever seen on social media here. I’ve never blocked so many people on any platform. What has improved my experience is that I’m blocking over 1,000 domains and maybe 2000 plus users. I have also set up aggressive keyword filters. Bluesky more recently got keyword filters and I’ve set them up rather aggressively as well
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@schizanon That’s actually a unique way to view things and would be beneficial. I have learned to set up insane keyword filters. I’m blocking thousands of domains and users. That has significantly improved my experience here.
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@damon
It's really disappointing how vanilla it is here. I mean, it's a lot better than two years ago when the casual racism was inescapable, (and maybe that's down to huge block list and hashtag following), but while that's less common now, it's still just white people as far as the eye can see. #BlackTwitter/Brown Twitter are what made Twitter fun. What made things like #KHive important, and even powerful. What made #BlackLivesMatter work. Mastodon seems to deliberately want that stopped. -
@damon Even though that's not been my specific experience, I believe you when you say it's been yours, that its real, and that it's not just an isolated thing. I've heard similar stories from far too many of my friends (nearly all of them non-white).
And don't get me wrong! I don't think Mastodon is great either. I'm starting to feel like open social media in general nearly always falls prey to the worst kind of humans.
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@damon That said, I do see FAR more of my Black friends use Bluesky (or stay on Twitter). And Mastodon seems to completely lack the same kind of Black Twitter cultural touchstone that Twitter had (which is a tremendous loss for everyone).
This place is extremely white, and I think the HOA comparison is extremely apt.
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@damon One other thought: Bluesky is in a good place today, but I worry that in 5-10 years, market forces will drive it the same way as Twitter.
I DON'T think Mastodon is isolated from that just because each instance is separate, despite what fedi advocates say.
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@cferdinandi That’s fair but if we take them at their word and their architectural goals that’s not an issue hopefully. You rightly pointed out about Mastodon. Lots of people don’t include Mastodon. Mastodon is 65% of fedi software that’s used. Mastodon nonprofit has 30% of the fediverse users. I’ve heard people state that .social is too large to block. People notoriously don’t like change. As to why there’s still people on Twitter. There’s nothing stopping someone with an offer by buy Mastodon nonprofit two instances. That would be the same as someone buying up bsky.social
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@damon there's a lot more it supports than a simple account redirect. https://docs.joinmastodon.org/user/moving/
you're right, everyday people don't care about sites being VC funded until it personally affects them, and typically that's around when the money dries up and the enshittification starts. or it gets bought by someone like Elon Musk or David Karp.
the benefit to the culture is that the fediverse isn't something a rich douchebag can buy. but it's a double-edged sword in that now it's the responsibility of the people running the instances to foster good culture. it's disappointing that there aren't more BIPOC supportive instances, but that can change when more people participate in the community and wall off the parts that want to be bigoted. I don't trust capital to do this until they there's a financial incentive to do so. Bluesky being better here only lasts until another Elon Musk shows up. it's always the end goal of these large tech companies to find someone to hold the bag when it's time for the website to make money.
anyway I can see this isn't going to go anywhere productive. in spite of everything I said, you still seem to think Black & Brown people being welcome on fedi isn't important to me and the people whose opinions I value. you wondered at the Bluesky hate, I delivered as a white LBGTQ+ person that has endured people in my community being insufferable and bigoted in their support of Bluesky.
I'm happy for you that Bluesky can be a place where BIPOC people can enjoy more support, but as a trans person watching tumblr go to shit after being bought out by a transphobic CEO, I promise you that won't last.
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@damon @geos the thing of it is, what is needing a cw varies from person to person. the fediverse exists as a place where you can curate your own experience. there needs to be a cultural shift of people taking responsibility for the content they're exposed to.
people need to realize they don't have to follow anyone who reblogs content they can't handle, and that it's more constructive to mute people instead of demanding they change how they post. there's way too many people that want to be content cops (it's one of those bad habits of other large social media platforms really), and that sure seems to include policing BIPOC people talking about their experiences.
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@gothodile I have my experience as an early adopter of Bluesky. There’s plenty of LBGTQ+ happy on Bluesky that won’t even attempt to use Mastodon. There’s trolls and people with harmful thinking of every site my experience has been that the community on Bluesky doesn’t make it worse they pile on those people. What do you mean you’ve endured people being insufferable and bigoted in their support of Bluesky?