Damn it, #Mastodon subculture has a crap reputation and it’s honestly mostly deserved.
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@gothodile Mastodon doesn’t have account portability though. It has an account redirect and you lose your content. Users are tethered to the domain of the instance they join, if you join a new instance it’s a new identity and new content. So, I’m confused as to what you mean? Everyday people don’t care if something is VC funded, how has the Fediverse namely Lemmy and Mastodon not being VC funded have a positive impact on the culture? To everyday users the funding is irrelevant until it becomes relevant by impacting their everyday experiences online. One of the most viral posts about ATProto came about from a mastodon believer that happens to be a dev and he was dead wrong about most of what he said. Being a dev or not has nothing to do with how competent nor honest a person is. You don’t have to like Bluesky that’s fine.
While Bluesky has had significant public plunder especially when it comes to moderation in the early part of its opening it’s still been significantly more welcoming for Black & Brown folks than the Fediverse. I know to you and others that may not matter much but to me I’m Black and it matters a great deal. I want social spaces where people that aren’t white can feel comfortable being whatever versions of themselves and having their needs met. There’s content creators mainly sworkers on Bluesky and they are absolutely welcomed and supported. Where on mastodon they are sex positive but always griping about content creators and influencers, it’s not a positive nor friendly space less you capitulate.
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@damon @fivetonsflax I don't know if it's helpful to talk about promises for the future in this context, but just in case anyone in this thread isn't following Mastodon's development closely: moderatable and privacy-friendly quote posts are the flagship feature for v4.4 so we should have those relatively soon. Let's just hope the 4.3 release goes smoothly and 4.4 doesn't take another year.
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@damon not disagreeing with you, but I look like most people and people are still quite unfriendly to me.
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@schizanon I’m sorry that’s been your experience. Your welcome in my band of misfits
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Way to prove his point. I can't figure out if the comment was to illustrate it.
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@Sahkshi @CloudyMrs what was the comment?
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@damon I find it to be a poorly masked clusterfuck of IRC servers.
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@[email protected] Some FediBro saying something like "touch grass" as you sound angry. I love how over defensive they get.. 🫠
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I cannot speak for other people's Mastodon experience.
I kind of live in my bubble, which consists of at least 98-99% lovely people.
This makes me curious about where your grievances come from and what we might do to prevent them in the future.
I have no idea, what an "HOA nickname" is, nor which instance got closed down and why.
A little context might be nice for those of us, who are not aware of such things.
Now, the most serious thing to me seems
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@loran_hayden what was that experience like?
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I hear you and I hope, it comes soon.
I still wonder why it takes years to implement an extremely useful feature that is common on the other Fediverse platforms and has been left deliberately out of Mastodon for no real reason (Yes, I have read lots and lots of advocacy for the decision not to include quote posts, and the only one that made sense was the personal dislike for it by key members of the development team).
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Apparently I need to provide proof and I’m just some angry Black man. But whatever here’s some sources of negative experiences on #fediverse #mastodon https://social.coop/@nico/105565087137887943 https://drewdevault.com/2022/07/09/Fediverse-toxicity.html https://logicmag.io/policy/blackness-in-the-fediverse-a-conversation-with-marcia-x/ https://fossacademic.tech/2022/12/24/Playvicous-Christmas.html https://roiskinda.cool/2023/12/recuerda-pv-chapter-7-the-dark-and-ugly.html
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@mina To my knowledge, no other fediverse platform (unless you count Bluesky) has moderatable and privacy-friendly quote posts.
The prevalent model is to render a link as a post embed, which gives the quoted person no way to remove themselves from the quote post (except deleting their original post) or to disallow future quotes. Often they don't even get notified that they've been quoted.
As I understand it, adding safety features is where most of the complexity is going.
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I agree, notifying people about there post being quoted (as it was on Twitter) and give the person the possibility to remove their quoted post from the specific re-post are key features, and especially the latter might be technically tricky.
However, truly malicious actors will always be able to use screenshots.
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@mina Definitely true! There is a philosophy among some fediverse developers that we should not try to prevent what we can't truly prevent. If someone is determined to post a copy of your post (that they can see) to their followers, you can't meaningfully stop them.
But I think there is value in friction. We can't prevent all abuse, but we can make it more annoying and time-consuming to be abusive in certain specific ways. The Mastodon team seems to agree with this.
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@julian @mina @damon @fivetonsflax I don't know a lot about this, but I use Mona and it has a quote post option on it. Does this not work like a typical quote post on Twitter/X?
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@mucholucho @mina I don't know how exactly Mona does it. I've seen some clients auto-add a tag for the quoted person next to the quote URL so they at least get a notification.
On Twitter AFAIK you also can't opt out of being quoted except by locking your account, so I guess it's kinda the same?
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@damon I can't speak to the racial component of this, but I can say that I don't find it confusing in the least, and I have no animosity toward users of Bluesky, Nostr or any other federated platform. This may be due, in whole or at least in part, because I have never used any other social media (save Reddit),so I have no expectations of what it is supposed to be like.
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@5teverin0 I can appreciate your perspective. If I can ask, how did you find out about Mastodon? How did you sign up?