Welcome ex-Redditors!
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Drag suggests you learn what a dude, guy, or man is, and why perhaps you shouldn't call strangers those words, especially after investigating their profiles and most likely realising they're nonbinary.
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"Tankie" is a pejorative that basically looks like an exact replica of McCarthy's strawman of a Communist. The purpose of the term is to claim the accused that they genuinely hold those McCarthyian characteristics, regardless of reality. It shuts down conversation because it would be inconvenient to have those conversations, it's a thought-terminating cliché more than a real thing.
Here are some thoughts:
Marx said communism is stateless
The state won't wither away if you keep defending its right to use force
The vanguard party must either accept revolution against themselves so that society can become more communist, or become reactionary tyrants
Modern Russia isn't fucking socialist, you don't need to defend it anymore
State capitalism isn't socialism. State socialism requires robust democracy
Every actual successful communist nation that reached communism didn't have a vanguard state
Being an enemy of the West doesn't mean a country inherently deserves your support. That's how voting works, it's not how international relations work
Trump is planning to displace the Palestinians and make Gaza a US colony, and Lemmy's Marxist-Leninist community tried to help him
Having a small movement with little power isn't an excuse for making bad decisions. Take responsibility for your actions
Drag is not seeking to have an argument about each and every one of these points. Drag is seeking to prove that "tankie bad" is not a thought terminating cliche as you said. Drag has plenty of thoughts, and has already discussed them exhaustively on this platform. And this list of thoughts isn't an invitation to sealion.
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- There’s a big difference between ‘there’s Nazis in our military’ vs ‘our government is erecting monuments of Nazis.’
- It’s not even ‘almost a genocide.’ The US officials are trying to save face. The CIA and State Dept were training Uyghur extremists to destabilize the region, and they’re pissed China put a stop to it, and started rehabilitating the militants.
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Okay, what about ...
Look, I know you're in your young 20's, almost definitely white, definitely a man, and I was once each of those things, too.
You've gone down the Right-wing pipeline, you've nodded along, you've downed the kool-aid. From the sounds of it a light sprinkling of an extremely flawed, right-wing education system.
You are not experiencing your own thoughts. You're regurgitating arguments you've heard online; over and over again, you say the same things, respond in the same way, make the same mistakes. You hamfistedly wave at anyone who ever called themselves socialist and go 'see! look at these mistakes! They're all the same!' When in reality:
Although the emergence of the Soviet Union as the world's first nominally socialist state led to widespread association of socialism with the Soviet economic model, it has since shifted in favour of democratic socialism. Academics recognised the mixed economies of several Western European and Nordic countries as "democratic socialist".[34][35] Following the revolutions of 1989, many of these countries moved away from socialism as a neoliberal consensus replaced the social democratic consensus in the advanced capitalist world.[36] In parallel, many former socialist politicians and political parties embraced "Third Way" politics, remaining committed to equality and welfare while abandoning public ownership and class-based politics.[37] Socialism experienced a resurgence in popularity in the 2010s.
Let's look at Pol Pot, to go back to your whataboutism:
Ideologically a Maoist and a Khmer ethnonationalist...
Seriously, it's on his goddamn wikipedia page, dude. This, what you're doing here? It's embarrassing. You think you're standing up to those meany evil 'left-wingers' when in reality you're a Toy Poodle for fascism, yapping at what you're told to, always waiting for another head pat from your online friends that never quite comes, never quite seems to make you feel like you feel it should.
Conservative parties began because aristocrats felt they had lost too much power, and wanted into the parliamentary system. It's oligarchs now. Is that really who has your best interest? Do you think Jeff Bezos or Elon Musk or Trump care about you? That they will ever do something for you, at the expense of themselves?
Because over on the socialist side we're at the protests, we're at the strikes, we're demanding change, we're helping the poor, we're punching up at authority. You're ideologically marching alongside cops, brown shirts, Nazi's, and you what, think they'll spare you? At best you're meat for the grinder when the fighting starts.
Look into all of this. Really dive into what Conservatism is, why it was created, how it's been opposed to every advancement in society that you enjoy: shorter work weeks, shorter work days, actual safety for workers, workers compensation, paternity leave, health care, freedom to strike, etc. All of those are socialist-won, often through literal bloodshed.
What have wealthy billionaires done to make your life better? Why do you think they're so invested in keeping you angry at visible minorities, women, 'the left', the 2% of the planet who are transgendered, the 2SLGBTQIA+ community? Why is it your enemies are all exactly strong enough to scare you, yet so weak you can insult them for it? Why do you have to punch down to hit these terrifying enemies of whatever it is you hold dear?
Okay bro wtf is that wall of text. They're all communist, full stop. Trying to label them something else doesn't change the fact that communism is a political system for psychopaths
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Here are some thoughts:
Marx said communism is stateless
The state won't wither away if you keep defending its right to use force
The vanguard party must either accept revolution against themselves so that society can become more communist, or become reactionary tyrants
Modern Russia isn't fucking socialist, you don't need to defend it anymore
State capitalism isn't socialism. State socialism requires robust democracy
Every actual successful communist nation that reached communism didn't have a vanguard state
Being an enemy of the West doesn't mean a country inherently deserves your support. That's how voting works, it's not how international relations work
Trump is planning to displace the Palestinians and make Gaza a US colony, and Lemmy's Marxist-Leninist community tried to help him
Having a small movement with little power isn't an excuse for making bad decisions. Take responsibility for your actions
Drag is not seeking to have an argument about each and every one of these points. Drag is seeking to prove that "tankie bad" is not a thought terminating cliche as you said. Drag has plenty of thoughts, and has already discussed them exhaustively on this platform. And this list of thoughts isn't an invitation to sealion.
Of course drag isn't inviting to sealion, drag is gish-galloping and isn't interested in any conversation. drag has proven this, from defending Nazi-led pograms as "true revolution" to pretending Marx was an Anarchist and wanted full decentralized horizontalism, rather than full centralization and democratization as industry gets ever more complex.
drag is therefore either uninterested in genuine conversation, or is a troll.
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I get more and more liberal every time I see some self-described leftist call people a shitlib because they’re slightly right of Pol Pit or whatever.
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Just point me to the Natalie Portman and hot grits.
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I'm aware that to the far left everyone who doesn't want to abolish capitalism is considered right wing. I mean the normal (Dutch) political spectrum. Social democratic
I'm kinda far left myself, I think capitalism is a pretty cool guy
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I get more and more liberal every time I see some self-described leftist call people a shitlib because they’re slightly right of Pol Pit or whatever.
Well that's a pretty stupid reason to change your political beliefs.
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Well that's a pretty stupid reason to change your political beliefs.
I’m not changing it just reinforcing it.
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I caught a 7 day ban in microblog memes for "whataboutism" after I pointed out that leftists were not responsible for the democrat's loss, their actions would have been wildly unpopular whether we told them or not.
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"Tankie Triad?" Really? This is just McCarthyian LARPing, you don't have to constantly saber-rattle towards the Marxist-friendly instances, USAID is being defunded lol
In Canada, we have a conservative named Pierre Poilievre that makes nonsensical catch phrases like that every month or so. Kinda reminds me of that
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You cannot make this shit up.
Really? Seems like you can and did.
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Huh, that sounds pretty bad, let me look that up. Oh wait, it's a total lie.
My personal opinion, for those who are interested, is that these two instances (Hexbear and Lemmygrad) are filled with what we call here nazbols, tankies, or even left-wing fascists.
"It came from the statement made in the thread that hexbear was 'aggressively pro-trans,' which seemed quite disgusting and fetishizing to me. This aligns with the rest of the authoritarian theme of the instance, you might say, having the perspective that one must make a superhuman effort to allow a minority to use a space."
-jlai.lu admin's vichy ass.
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Drag suggests you learn what a dude, guy, or man is, and why perhaps you shouldn't call strangers those words, especially after investigating their profiles and most likely realising they're nonbinary.
I'm sorry, I wasn't intentionally trying to misgender you, in my native language the equivalent of "dude" is gender neutral.
But you know what is internationally considered rude and uneducated? Focusing on small details of what someone says to devert from the main argument. Also referring to oneself in third person... -
"tankie" is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.
I'm referring to what they said, not some other insult.
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"tankie" is so broadly defined that it also includes anarchists and non-western liberals.
I'm referring to what they said, not some other insult.
Words are defined by common use.
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Don't worry Redditors.. it's the same "the Right sucks, and the Left can do no wrong" rhetoric you hear over there...
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Methinks there might be a culture war/defederation covert campaign being done by more right or even just regular liberal users.
That or I'm being paranoid.
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