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If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren't welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it's not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don't think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I'd say a good 4/5s of the time, it's someone from .ml.
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If the users from there are participating in communities from outside that instance and following the rules, why does it matter if they’re from .ml?
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization. Not only that, but when grad and Hexbear were defederated by many instances, many users on Grad and Hexbear created accounts on .ml for the explicit purpose of continuing the authoritarian apologia they so enjoyed in the exact places that told them they weren't welcomed. At some point, pattern recognition sets in, and it's not inherently wrong for it to do so.
I don't think every .ml user is an authoritarian. But if I see someone making authoritarian apologia, I'd say a good 4/5s of the time, it's someone from .ml.
Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization.
Sure, but only if they're solely in those echo chambers, which if they're posting in .world, they clearly aren't. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don't automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I'll definitely keep that in mind going forward.
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Communities shape how people think and act. Normalizing bootlicking for authoritarian regimes causes those who participate in those communities to feel and reproduce that normalization.
Sure, but only if they're solely in those echo chambers, which if they're posting in .world, they clearly aren't. And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don't automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I had no idea about the Hexbear/lemmygrad lore though, I'll definitely keep that in mind going forward.
Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t.
Not necessarily. Like how people who use 4chan regularly maintain the standards and behaviors even though 4chan isn't their only online community of choice. People take their norms with them, even when they leave home, sort of thing.
And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I mean, I agree this should be the case, my point is just that the bad reputation of an .ml home instance is not entirely unearned by the .ml community, regardless of the individual user.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I can't speak for .ee, but I would point out the same about .world, albeit phrased differently. .world absolutely has a reputation for being more moderate and less leftist than much of the Fediverse (though, again, I would emphasize that 'social democracy' is the standard, and that both North American and European right-wing and center-right parties are reviled, so it's definitely a question of relative political stances), and if you see someone espousing a "Capitalism isn't so bad 🥺" view, the chances of them coming from .world is probably better-than-average, insofar as the Fediverse is concerned. It would not be incorrect to make that connection - pattern recognition is useful.
Remember to treat people as individuals, yes, but when all the [Sportsball Team A] fans are out wearing plain red shirts from [Local Store] for their team, you are not wrong to scrutinize people who choose to wear plain red shirts from [Local Store] extra closely in that light, even if that isn't that individual's intent or leaning.
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This seems like an odd message considering that Lemmy, as software, is being praised here; and what is being criticized are instances wherein the admins enforce apologism for authoritarian regimes.
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Those assholes don’t like women’s sports, they only use it as a stick to hurt those who are different from them.
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And you picked that?
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And you picked that?
it's funny that .zip is a domain, yes. I can't imagine it gets used for anything other than email scams
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Sure, but only if they’re solely in those echo chambers, which if they’re posting in .world, they clearly aren’t.
Not necessarily. Like how people who use 4chan regularly maintain the standards and behaviors even though 4chan isn't their only online community of choice. People take their norms with them, even when they leave home, sort of thing.
And any ones who do are told off because of the content of their posts, not their home servers.
I mean, I agree this should be the case, my point is just that the bad reputation of an .ml home instance is not entirely unearned by the .ml community, regardless of the individual user.
I see quite a few inflammatory posters from .world and .ee (especially of the American exceptionalism, anti-Palestine, and more recently anti-Canadian (🤭) varieties) but I don’t automatically assume every single person on those servers hold those values. In fact, I think 9/10 comments I see you post specifically, PugJ, I agree with.
I can't speak for .ee, but I would point out the same about .world, albeit phrased differently. .world absolutely has a reputation for being more moderate and less leftist than much of the Fediverse (though, again, I would emphasize that 'social democracy' is the standard, and that both North American and European right-wing and center-right parties are reviled, so it's definitely a question of relative political stances), and if you see someone espousing a "Capitalism isn't so bad 🥺" view, the chances of them coming from .world is probably better-than-average, insofar as the Fediverse is concerned. It would not be incorrect to make that connection - pattern recognition is useful.
Remember to treat people as individuals, yes, but when all the [Sportsball Team A] fans are out wearing plain red shirts from [Local Store] for their team, you are not wrong to scrutinize people who choose to wear plain red shirts from [Local Store] extra closely in that light, even if that isn't that individual's intent or leaning.
Ngl, I am learning so much lemmy server id pol from you right now, lol
It's very interesting reading your experience (which I guess is the more common experience), and how even on this free and open platform there is still some sort of social grouping happening. I didn't really even factor that into my choice of server when I signed up, but now that I think about it, servers like slrpnk and the old 196 server (I'm completely blanking on the instance name) are built around special groups, obviously so. I guess I just don't think too deeply on the identities of the general instances, because they claim to not have one (but they clearly do lol.)
Thanks for making the effort to explain all this, I appreciate it!
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Ngl, I am learning so much lemmy server id pol from you right now, lol
It's very interesting reading your experience (which I guess is the more common experience), and how even on this free and open platform there is still some sort of social grouping happening. I didn't really even factor that into my choice of server when I signed up, but now that I think about it, servers like slrpnk and the old 196 server (I'm completely blanking on the instance name) are built around special groups, obviously so. I guess I just don't think too deeply on the identities of the general instances, because they claim to not have one (but they clearly do lol.)
Thanks for making the effort to explain all this, I appreciate it!
Happy to help! I'm terminally online af, so I see a lot of... all of the discourse, lmao.
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Communist is not the same as tankie. Lemmy probably wouldn't exist if the devs weren't communist
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Happy to help! I'm terminally online af, so I see a lot of... all of the discourse, lmao.
Meanwhile I'm learning my instance is so chill I have no idea where the discourse even is
I used to be a daily frequenter of r/subredditdrama too, I've apparently gone soft.
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Yeah I randomly picked an instance when I created this account around a year ago, and these days I see people comment things like “lol of course you’re from .ml”.
I don’t even know what’s the difference between instances. And it’s not like we were given a whole lot of explanation when picking one.
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Tankies aren't communists.
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And you picked that?
.rar isn't a domain yet is it? Lol
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It's a bit like OSRS for reddit - an attempt to revive the reddit we all have very rose-tinted memories of. Unfortunately we seem to have forgotten about the the rampant casual misogyny, tribalism, moderator political infighting, that the 2007 XP rates were actually abysmally implemented and desperately needed retooling and that deeply awkward "ron paul" phase.
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Meanwhile I'm learning my instance is so chill I have no idea where the discourse even is
I used to be a daily frequenter of r/subredditdrama too, I've apparently gone soft.
The closest thing to subreddit drama here is probably yepowertrippingbastards over on db0ero, but even that is more like Am I The Asshole for mod bans than anything else.
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Yeah, that's pretty unfair. You shouldn't have to put up with this; and it definitely is not your fault, or the fault of the instance. This "tankie instance" thing is bullshit.
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From what I can tell, this tankie stuff is bullshit. In the years I've been here, I've seen close to zero 'tankie' content from any of these supposedly tankie instances. There's like maybe one or two people on those instances who might fit the description if you search for them. Meanwhile, literally every day there are posts spitting on these supposed tankie instances. (And actually, it's again a very small number of people complaining - but they put their crap into cute memes to get traction).
I don't like the idea of shouting slurs at entire instances. In my view, if you hate those instances so much - just block them. Problem solved. No need to spew hate all over lemmy.
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ah yes, thats right! there are only two sides, western fascism, or eastern.
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