Is a public account, using public data, that tracks a celebrity jets (Elon Musk, Taylor Swift, Bill Gates etc) “stalking”, providing a "public service”, or is a benign ”curiosity”?

[katrinakatrinka@infosec.exchange]

@chris
Public service. Private jets are huge polluters.

[markbrigham@universeodon.com]

@chris

Especially useful to counter the narrative that musk is green. The petrol savings by all those Tesla cars is offset by the massive carbon footprints of musk’s private jet and, of course, SpaceX.

Musk is not green; he’s a profiteer.

[chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca]

@MarkBrigham That would make for an excellent bit of research. Take every Tesla, calculate its CO2 savings, and then put that up against Musk's private jet and the emissions from SpaceX rocketry.

[clintonanderson@universeodon.com]

@katrinakatrinka @chris All jets are.

But private ones are the worst!

[katrinakatrinka@infosec.exchange]

@ClintonAnderson @chris
Because they're not transporting many people at once like commercial planes.

[bamboombibbitybop@mastodon.social]

@chris @MarkBrigham I'm pretty sure the "CO2 savings" per Tesla isn't even that high, as there's a massive Carbon cost in the manufacturing and shipping process, plus they still need energy which mostly comes from coal.

[mikemccaffrey@drupal.community]

@bamboombibbitybop @chris @MarkBrigham The greenest car is the one you already own.

[clintonanderson@universeodon.com]

@katrinakatrinka @chris

Commercial airlines are a disgusting, over polluting, scumfest monopoly.

I cannot defend them on any level

[katrinakatrinka@infosec.exchange]

@ClintonAnderson @chris
Trains are better, but even less available.

Planes and trains are a public utility and should be regulated as such.

[chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca]

@bamboombibbitybop @MarkBrigham Construction and Shipping costs are largely the same as conventional vehicles. Essentially no difference there.

The difference is in the accumulating savings in burning fossil fuels versus the lifetime CO2 footprint of the battery. There will be a large (and growing) gap there as battery tech improves.

When even the International Energy Agency is acknowledging that the dip in oil demand is due to Electric Vehicles, then we know there is a real saving there. And to the point of this thread... they see air travel as their way of making up for that decline!

"Refiners will need to progressively modify their product output to meet divergent trends for distillates as gasoline demand falls amid an increase in the market share of electric vehicles while jet fuel consumption rises.”

Obviously we can't let that happen if we want a liveable world.

Executive summary – Oil 2024 – Analysis - IEA

Oil 2024 - Analysis and key findings. A report by the International Energy Agency.

IEA (www.iea.org)

[chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca]

@mikemccaffrey @bamboombibbitybop @MarkBrigham true only to a point.

[chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca]

@katrinakatrinka @ClintonAnderson unfortunate truth in North America. A result of lobbyists and industrialists taking the most efficient means of transportation for themselves?

[clintonanderson@universeodon.com]

@katrinakatrinka @chris

This is pretty off topic here, but outside of across oceans, I cannot imagine a plane trip that wouldn't be better by Train, provided there was decent infrastructure... And even then, if I had the option to travel by zeppelin, I'd do it!

I absolutely agree, they should be treated as Public Utilities, like electricity, water, roads... But so should health care, education, housing, groceries... Nothing essential to life should ever be privatized

#FuckCapitalism
#EatTheRich

[katrinakatrinka@infosec.exchange]

@chris @ClintonAnderson
They made money on privatizing it. They say government can't do the job, but that's because they defund and undermine government services. They're doing it to USPS now.

[chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca]

@katrinakatrinka @ClintonAnderson yup. Same in Canada

[jenesuispasgoth@pouet.chapril.org]

@chris I voted "public service," although it is moreso depending on the people "targeted:" first, private jets are an ecological aberration, which should be banned except in case of extreme urgency, for statesmen, and even then, most of the time it's not necessary. It's a way of naming & shaming those who abuse this mode of transportation.

Second, for personalities who voice their opinions very vocally, about a lot of things, e.g., Musk, it's a way to display their hypocrisy, groundlessness etc

[fastfinge@fed.interfree.ca]

@chris It kind of depends on who’s doing the tracking and who’s being tracked. A dude tracking Taylor swifts jet is a creep. An organization tracking bill gates to make a point about climate change is not. As with all types of communication, context matters.

[john@socks.masto.host]

@chris given all applicable laws and regulations, I don't think anyone could object to a blog, which had an RSS output, with the same information.

The drama, such as it is, is what responsibility social networks have to host the same.

I think the RSS is sufficient for the interested.

[ai6yr@m.ai6yr.org]

@chris This is public info...

[chris@mstdn.chrisalemany.ca]

@fastfinge for sure. Though (as devil's advocate) are either of those scenarios dependant on bots repeating the information?