But "socialism" is a scary word

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Yes as I said if we are talking about a share of parliament, that's true. But fully socialist (communist) governments? Only by force so far.

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Socialism won't keep dragons from hoarding their gold. You would just be taken advantage of for the same thing, your labor, through a different channel.

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As an Indian guy, I-
Yes...

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Quick! Name a negative life experience capitalists experience that socialists don’t.

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Here’s an idea from WAAAAY out there, but what if they both suck? Because it’s just bad logic to assume that one is good because the other is bad.

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Crippling medical debt.

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American healthcare?

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Then you have a fundamental problem. Capitalists hate control. They hate regulation. They hate competition. And they spend a lot of money in power trying to get rid of all of it. The system is broken by design. Or rather, it was designed to benefit someone who is not you.

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By the way, commerce is not the same thing as capitalism.

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I hate that people are shit and will ruin any economic/political system no matter how high-minded it may have otherwise been.

Similarly capitalism wouldn't be a burning pile of diapers and old wigs if those involved didn't have a complete and total disregard-bordering-on-antipathy for humanity and the common good.

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Crippling student debt

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"There was a famine in China, which means we now only can have the most extreme forms of capitalism!" - 70% of the propaganda.

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I need to rate my employees based on a matrix with 9 fields so my boss can decide whom to fire because made up numbers are not as high as they anticipated them to be.

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There is no distinction. A socialist/communist party with a majority in a parliament forms a government, and there are examples of those elected. Even a lot of the authoritarian ones established in a revolution had a parliament with non communist parties having representatives.

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Of course there's a distinction. A partial socialist/communist government has never implement full communism (seize the means of production and guarantee equal distribution of resources). That's only ever been done by force.

They have achieved things like universal health care and education, however, and for that we should all be grateful. IMHO the best case scenario really is a parliamentary system with a socialist majority to get these kind of things passed but leave a heavily regulated capitalist economic system in place.

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Socialism and capitalism have a lot of overlap. This belief and meme that they are completely separate is incredibly simple-minded and indicative of US thinking patterns. US Americans have had it beaten into their heads that there are only two sides for so long that it permeates their very being.

To have a fair system, components of multiple philosophies and systems will have to be mixed. Treating capitalism as all bad is plain dumb.

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You are repeating false statements. There have been fully communist elected governments in Nepal, India, San Marino and probably more. In Spain we had a elected republican government run mainly by socialists and even an anarchist president.

The reason why most of them have been through a revolution is because they were declared illegal.

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Real democratic mechanisms in the USSR: highest unionisation rates in the world, announcement/news boarboards in every workplace administered by the union, free education to the highest level for everyone, free healthcare, guaranteed employment and housing (how do the supposedly "authoritarian leaders" benefit from that?), neighbour commissions legally overviewing the activity and transparency of local administration, neighbour tribunals dealing with most petty crime, millions of members of the party, women's rights, local ethnicities in different republics having an option to education in their language and widespread availability of reading material and newspapers in their language, lowest rates of wealth inequality in any country, more female engineers in the USSR than in the rest of the world, higher representation of women in the party and in the justice system than anywhere else at the time...

Please explain me how getting to vote for the less-evil but equally neoliberal party once every 4 years is more democratic than that.

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You clearly have never read anything about it, so I’d be curious to know specifically which part of socialist theory you disagree with.

By definition, capitalism demands to be uncontrolled and without rules to bring the most profit. So when you're done pulling stuff out of thin air, let us know

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Which channel specifically are you referring to?

Your comment smells of "enlightened cantrist trying to sound reasonable" ~but failing~