But "socialism" is a scary word
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People don't realize that not every implementation of Socialist policies have to involve a vanguardist dictatorship like China or USSR (which is what almost every American have in mind when they think of "Socialism")
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Capitalism is just dictatorship with more than 1 head, it's royalty rebranded. As much as we want to believe we all have an equal chance to be well off, it's really more about where you were born and to whom you were born to. Some get a lucky break but the cards are very much stacked against the average person in a society built on greed.
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I'm sorry but calling the USSR a "vanguardist dictatorship" is just not historically accurate. Plenty of democratic mechanisms in the USSR, at any rate much better than anything else we've had so far. For a dictatorship, it dissolved itself quite peacefully didn't it?
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Plenty of democratic mechanisms in the USSR, at any rate much better than anything else we’ve had so far.
Fucking lmao
For a dictatorship, it dissolved itself quite peacefully didn’t it?
I'm sure you'd say the same about Pinochet, wouldn't you?
Sadly, attempts at socialism in which workers didn’t take the power of the state, ended up like Salvador Allende in Chile,
Yes, if only Allende was a dictator, THEN he wouldn't have trusted Pinochet. That was what planted that seed of trust in Allende's heart - not being a dictator.
like Mosaddegh in Iran,
Ah, yes, when Social Democrats are overthrown by Western powers, they're good comrades; any other time, they're social fascists.
like the Spanish Second Republic
The same Spanish Second Republic which was backstabbed and destroyed by Soviet-bootlicking MLs?
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Well it depends on how you define "socialism" which is used to mean anything from a socialist policy to a fully socialist society. For some socialist policies, you can simply vote in some socialists into a parliamentary system and get them to pass some.
But there's never been enough socialists peacefully voted into power to make a fully socialist/communist society, so those attempts have always come at the barrel of a gun, which so far has always resulted in an authoritarian regime.
I'd love to see one actually get voted into power someday, but I have a feeling I will be waiting for a very long time.
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While the soviets did ostensibly appear to have democratic structures, the reality was that the democracy was a fascade at best.
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We're angry about unbridled end-stage capitalism
Just like with everything in life, there's a right amount of something and its not zero. Properly regulated free market is probably the best economic system we've come up with. I challenge you to come up with a better system.
Its the fact that we've voted in greedy leaders and have such lax rules about lobbying and open bribery that's allowed so much shit to happen.
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No....not everyone hates capitalism. Everyone hates uncontrolled capitalism.
Socialism isn't some magical bandaid that will make everything better. It has a shit ton of it's own problems and downfalls...nearly all of which are conveniently glossed over by leftists.
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So glad to see some actual sanity in these comments in response to the ridiculous OP.
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There are many examples of elections won by socialist/communist parties. There would have been more of they weren't outlawed or suppressed historically.
There are also examples of revolutions that didn't end in authoritarian regimes, for example the ones that ended in anarchist communities.
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Yes as I said if we are talking about a share of parliament, that's true. But fully socialist (communist) governments? Only by force so far.
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Socialism won't keep dragons from hoarding their gold. You would just be taken advantage of for the same thing, your labor, through a different channel.
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Quick! Name a negative life experience capitalists experience that socialists don’t.
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Here’s an idea from WAAAAY out there, but what if they both suck? Because it’s just bad logic to assume that one is good because the other is bad.
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Crippling medical debt.
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American healthcare?
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Then you have a fundamental problem. Capitalists hate control. They hate regulation. They hate competition. And they spend a lot of money in power trying to get rid of all of it. The system is broken by design. Or rather, it was designed to benefit someone who is not you.
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By the way, commerce is not the same thing as capitalism.